The New "We Don't Care" Health Insurance Program


#261

“Rationing” sounds bad, but that’s just another name for cost benefit analysis. Should we pay 100K for a drug that prolongs a patient’s life by 3 months? Should we force people use generics if one is available? Where do we draw the line?

The Medicare cost curve is much less steep than private employer insurance. There the link is direct. Congress cares about the cost, can apply pressure to tamp it down. I am open to giving private insurance a shot. But the current employer-based system is just rotten. We need to have consumers care about the costs.


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#263

Ronald Reagan did a famous video against socialized medicine years ago…here are famous Reagan quotes.
http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2009/08/ronald-reagans-warning-about-socialized-medicine-video-and-complete-transcript/
“Socialism only works In two places:
Heaven where they don’t Need it and hell where they already have it.”
-Ronald Reagan

‘Here’s my strategy on The Cold War: We win, they lose.’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘The most terrifying words In the English language are:
I’m from the government And I’m here to help.’
-Ronald Reagan

‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’
-Ronald Reagan

'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. Was too strong.

  • Ronald Reagan

'I have wondered at Times about what the Ten Commandments would Have looked like if Moses
Had run them through The U.S. Congress…
-Ronald Reagan

‘The taxpayer: That’s someone who works For the federal government But doesn’t have to take the Civil service examination.’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a Big appetite at one end and No sense of responsibility At the other’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘The nearest thing to eternal Life we will ever see on This earth is a Government program.’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.
I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, Subsidize it’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, There are many rewards; If you disgrace yourself, You can always write a book.’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.’

  • Ronald Reagan

‘If we ever forget that we’re one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.’
-Ronald Reagan


#264

Why do people get so worked up over free college? Even if college is free, not everyone goes. Students still have to be accepted, and there aren’t enough colleges to accept everyone. Those countries are producing roughly the same percent of college grads as the US, so free college doesn’t lead to more people going to college.

Most of the open jobs in the US don’t require a degree. We should be looking at degrees from a economic output and ROI perspective. We don’t need more liberal arts degrees that don’t help people earn more money. There’s no benefit to tax payers for funding those degrees. They aren’t increasing the economic output of the country.

If anything, we need more skilled trades programs to prepare people for those careers. That’s something Germany has. America used to have it, but parents found it too insulting if their kid wasn’t in college path classes. That killed the vocational path which a lot of HS kids need. Now those kids can’t get into college, and they aren’t trained to do anything. We completely screwed them over.


#265

Nahhh! I just want what my president offered me, cheap, better healthcare.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

CBO: Republican health care bill raises premiums for older, poor Americans by as much as 850%


#266

No way! Australia better than us? No way!

Some idiot must have said it. I bet he is an idiot…he has to be…:scream:


#267

Reagan the comrade: :stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

“Let me remind you, that when free union, and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost”


#268

From the darkness of the internet:

Well, I live in the Czech Republic, my health insurance is less than $200 a month (about $140), my co=pay for BP meds is between $.50 and $3 depending on the year (Parliament sets these annually), my Liptor is $.90 per month. It can be done, but you have to purchase centrally by state or tri-state region and cut a lot of your bureaucracy (and that is NOT the government, that is your bill collection agencies).
I was in the US this winter, paid for my daughter’s care and spent another MONTH dealing with bill collectors, because they refunded the money, so three agencies billed parts and had to be paid separately, if the hospital had kept the money and sent it to the three sub-companies, OK, but no, they had to all get involved with bill collectors from North Carolina and Texas for a bill in Memphis, TN.

Moreover, they inflated the original bill claiming we had no insurance and charged the state of Tennessee for indigent care when my insurance here covered everything. So, I am no fan of that mess you have created other there. Administration heavy and light on patient care.


#269

@buyinghouse Do you think you’d be better off with single payer? Good job pivoting away from college.


#270

In Germany, kids get sorted into different paths at age 12 or 13. The state decides which way a kid goes, and there is little parents can do if they disagree. I don’t think America is ready for that kind of heavy handed involvement from the state.

Without a firm push from the government, will parents willingly put their kids into a less academic track? I highly doubt it. There are lots of trade courses like auto repair in community college. We are not lacking in training. But somehow not many people take advantage of it.


#271

America used to do it. We stopped because of parents. They all think their kid is special.


#272

Huh? I think you are lost in the lunacy of your imagination, this topic is about…you better read above, read the title. Does it say college anywhere?


#273

You’re the one that posted about free college. So again, do you thing you’d be better offf with single payer?

You can actually get free healthcare and free college. It’s called join the military.


#274

Reports may have comments about the moon too, or Chupacabra, but that’s not the topic, isn’t it?

Keep playing comrade!

You may win one of these days!


#275

It Is actually at age 10, after completing 4th grade. There are 3 different paths to choose. Teachers give recommendation, parents can override. I am the funny exception… teachers recommended highest grade education, parents tried to downgrade me (but were talked out of it)

Students do have the possibility to switch between the 3 paths after 6th grade and again after 10th. It happened rarely back then… because generally, parents accepted the teachers’ suggestion.


#276

If some posters here had the intelligence, and the neutrality of ptiemann who knows what he is talking about we would learn lots of things.

Meanwhile, the lovers of freedom of expression want others to shut up because it inconvenience them to hear the truth. Watch this loser answer to a logical question.


#277

At least @buyinghouse is good comedy.


#278

No, the clown and followers are in the white house.


#279

@buyinghouse CA is trying to pass its own single-payer system. They’ll pay for it by adding a 15% payroll tax. What a deal! Oh the irony of the working class paying 15% while investment income isn’t taxed for it. Good thing the CA government is looking out for you.

I pay $225/mo for $3,900 max out-of-pocket. My max healthcare expenses are $6,600/yr. That means anyone making above $44kyr would pay more in payroll taxes than my max healcare expense. What a deal!


#280

and they say would save us money