don’t forget Fisker
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Toyota has not suffered since moving headquarters out of CA to TX.
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I’m just joking. I have nothing against Texans, Texas, or Texas-based companies,
it depends on the team you are getting into irrespective of the company but there’s a general work culture adopted by some companies which are more brutal than the rest. I don’t know how many have you interacted with from Amazon. Just ask them about PIP culture and most will cry. Google, microsoft in general have better work culture based on ppl’s opinion and again even in Google you may end up with a bad manager.
Same here. I have nothing against CA. Actually, I will be the last one to leave, if it ever comes to it.
But, that said, the principles of work must be reminded. Peoples success depend upon the hard-work and perseverance. The role of a city or a state is only to provide the ingredients to success. That is where CA is failing.
I do not take my work and manager as an opportunity for endearment. I see work as a work. Just do it, come what may.
I am also not against or for CA/TX but by what metric do you conclude CA is failing? 2020 VC investment data paints different picture on what you say.
Success and failures are not always measured with numbers just as you said the work-culture is bad in some companies. The unhappy people do not have to tell you why they are unhappy (at least this is what my Boss told me once on dealing with customers). Unhappy people do not even answer surveys.
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Problem is in Amazon even if you work hard and do more than required, you have higher probability to get fired just because someone in your team either through work or politics is more favorable comparatively
That is true. You cannot flash your California (or New York) values and hope business will stay or come. The business only follow accounting rules. Every thing else is just a pain. So much for the diversity quota. Does Amazon have a diversity officer?
I don’t understand which value are you talking about. If there is a bad value both CA or NY inherit then why are both the top two places for job market? (if you don’t believe me type any position in linkedin and look for no of postings in each state)
I don’t know about Amazon diversity officer as I don’t work there.
Apparently you do not understand. That is why you are asking this question. You do not mix left agenda (call it CA/NY values) with running business. That is simple. Translates to over-taxation and false regulation.
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ok then why CA has more job opportunities than TX (tech perspective since this discussion stemmed from Tesla)? pls answer this
Because CA was a very conservative state just about 20+ years ago when base for much of what we see today was set. CA has been home of many conservatives like Reagan and Nixon. The state is in downfall since left became strong. California’s loss is someone else gain. Jobs may be easily lost. I think it will be good for CA in long run if current exodus forces a course correction.
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for tech, top places for job are BA, LA, Seattle, NYC. I see WA, NY turned blue from 1988 and CA from 1992. Tech boom started around 1990. Tesla started 2003 & google, amazon around 1994. When did left became strong?
Also why is a conservative state like TX or FL has not reached even the 3rd spot after so many years? I am not challenging but curious to know since everyone complains about CA but never show a state similar to CA in job opportunity
You need to study yourself. Everything cannot be explained. Think and Reason. You can answer your questions better than someone else would. The decline of California is real. If you cannot sense that, I do not know how to explain that.
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I’ll share an anecdote. Somebody I know closely is in Semiconductors which are radiation hardened for those kind of applications. For testing the company doesn’t use UC Berkeley Labs. They go to TX, TAMU cyclotron Institute.It costs 1/3 of Berkeley including flight, lodging, food etc. Berkeley gets it’s business from DOD etc(i.e. tax payer funded companies, don’t care about others money). TAMU is always booked, for eg. Airbus was at TAMU for 15 days from France(although France has it’s own rad hard testing in the country), however private companies always care about costs unlike tax payer funded companies.
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Not sure if this has been posted.
https://www.hoover.org/research/california-business-headquarters-now-leaving-twice-fast-no-end-sight
A small snippet
Key findings about how corporate leaders rank a state’s business climate is reflected in Chief Executive magazine’s annual survey of CEOs. For the 17th year in a row, Texas tops the publication’s 2021 Best and Worst States for Business list while California once again ranked at No. 50, the worst state in which to do business.
The Tax Foundation’s 2021 State Business Tax Climate Index – which evaluates taxes in five categories in calculating a state’s overall ranking – lists California at No. 49, the second-worst with only New Jersey trailing. California’s poor position is unlikely to improve considering that its businesses routinely face threats of increases in income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes along with higher county and municipal taxes and fees.
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Bingo.
@mcp I think your inquiry is genuine and you really want to understand what is happening. Sometimes, process is hard to explain by numbers. Numbers do not exist in vacuum and they are not constant or absolute ( they are relative) . What I do in such situation is to put myself into the others shoes and borrow their beliefs, assumptions, and principle to build an argument. We all think differently based upon our beliefs, personal values (like I will prefer to be free than). So, for example, if you start with assumption with taxation is bad (even if you think taxation is good), you will understand some of the ideas that are said here.