Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 Covid-19

Isn’t there only 1 person here who’s against masks? WHO and CDC both flip flopped which doesn’t give them a ton of credibility. I still don’t get the uproar against masks. They are cheap and not much of an inconvenience. It seems like a relatively easy thing to do.

Newsome didn’t help himself with the secret contract to buy masks from China just before he mandated them.

Plenty of people are skeptical about the increase being due to re-opening. It would be ignorant to ignore the impact of protests and mixing in antibody tests results. Plus, we are testing for more people now. We should have more cases given most cases have zero symptoms. Originally, we only tested those with symptoms, so we were at best capturing 25% of people with COVID. Ignoring factors that any reasonable and unbiased scientists should consider just makes the whole thing look stupid.

To heal the economy you must beat back the virus. Anything else is just hiding head in the sand.

Italy’s lockdown was a real honest to god lockdown. The one we had in the US was a joke. Also note the 100% mask coverage in the picture.

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That or in a few weeks they’ll realize there are a ton of new cases, and a shutdown only temporarily slows it. It doesn’t eliminate it. You talk like places have eradicated coronavirus the way we have with Polio. We haven’t. As soon as people start going back to work the cases will start to increase again.

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Not in Asia as far as I know. Even poor countries like Vietnam are doing OK. China has been back at work for months.

Vietnam closed the border and did 14-day quarantine for all inbound passengers. Trump was called racist for banning inbound travel from China. Can you imagine the complaints if Trump ordered quarantine of foreign travelers? We should have been even more aggressive banning travel, since NYC’s downfall was travel from Europe.

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Well, Trump did close the border. How come our case number keeps soaring? 14 day quarantine? The guy can’t even bring himself to wearing a simple mask. So much for that fantasy scenario.

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Our initial border closure was limited to China.

Maybe you should ask all the protestors who are violating the 6’ distancing rules. Maybe it’s just coincidence that after a couple weeks of protests the number of cases increases.

If he even mentioned 14-day quarantine for foreign visitors, the media and democrats would have a field day calling him racist and xenophonic. Biden called him xenophobic for the initial travel ban and was against it. Turns out we needed an even bigger travel ban.

Did the protests increase the spread of corona? Could be. I would guess it did but I don’t think it’s a major vector compared to reopening. How many people protested vs how many started going out again because of reopening like dining out and going to bars? Do the math and tell me it’s not magnitudes different in scale.

If reopening doesn’t matter at all why did Florida and Texas close down bars again? Are people protesting inside bars?

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Bars and gyms are toast. I bet they are closed soon nationally. We are going to have a huge unemployed groups of angry frustrated young people. This will be politically destabilizing. I think our PPP money has funded the riots. This is just the beginning of the unintended consequences of the shut down. SIP is not a benign situation. Covid19 kills old people. Unemployment, SIP, forbearance are destroying the economy and the social contract. Which is worse?

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Florida limited capacity to 25% and required all tables to be at least 6 ft apart.

Texas limited to 50% capacity and required all tables to be at least 6 ft apart.

You really want to point to that as the issue over protesting?

Just so we are clear a Florida re-opened at the start of May. Cases were flat to declining all month. Floyd was killed May, 25th. Restaurants were already open for 3.5 weeks the 7-day average was still declining. Incubation period from exposure to symptoms is less than a week.

Texas who reopened restaurants May, 1st

Trust the data.

Have always felt tables are too close. Six feet apart is :+1: Any restaurants can’t be profitable should shutdown. I believe all fine dining restaurants have tables six feet or more apart.

Restaurants will have to raise prices.

I never ate out that often even before Covid. If restaurants raise prices, they’ll see less of my money.

Actually protests may have reduced spread of Covid.

If you actually look at the data, the increase isn’t spread evenly through Texas and Florida. It’s concentrated in a few areas. You realize the red dots are places seeing the biggest spikes of COVID cases. Meanwhile, the article is arguing people spent even more time at home during that period. The increase can’t be from restaurants opening, since they were already open for 3.5 weeks and must have been even less busy during the protesting per the data you presented.

Do you want to rethink your it is all restaurants theory, since they were open for weeks with no spike? Yet, protests started and cases immediately spiked in those counties. I’m not sure what science you’re trusting to say it’s restaurants.

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CA +8,610 on Tuesday

Does this number mean anything?

Adding a picture for easier understanding, note the spikes & the recent 7 day average slope.

This graph is for the state of CA.

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anyone watching newsom update? stuff is closing down again :frowning: