Maybe.....Asians Don't Want It

[Roy321]

Lot of India experts here , except @RealEstatebull & @Jil who else here is actually from India?

[RealEstatebull]

@wuqijun

They seem to be exclusive today because of interracial mixing. Historically they were not. It was the Aryans (light skinned people from the North) that overran India and instilled the caste system and Hinduism. The South gradually adapted the system and religion but the origin of that has always been from the North.

Good reading material for myself, will come back on this.

[RealEstatebull]

Are you ? @Jil I thought is chinese

[Chiapet828]

And the stats bear out that Asian women face the biggest challenges.

I’ve read before that it’s due to these sorts of challenges that a lot of Asian parents urge their kids to go into medicine and be a doctor because their work would speak for itself. Don’t have to struggle against these biases trying to make it in the corporate world.

[druid]

I thought @Jil was Asian too.

[Jil]

@Roy321

Lot of India experts here , except @RealEstatebull & @Jil who else here is actually from India?

@RealEstatebull

Are you ? @Jil I thought is chinese

@druid

I thought @Jil was Asian too.

Correct ! But staying away from any hot topic or controversial subject !!

[hanera]

@Jil

Correct !

Correct? Is Indian? Is Chinese? Haha, I’m pretty sure you’re not a Chinese.

RealEstatebull,

Now you pique my interest…

Tharman Shanmugaratnam, current Deputy Prime Minister in Singapore. He is a Hindu, of Ceylonese Tamil ancestry. Can you tell from his name or look whether he is from upper or lower caste?

Kasiviswanathan Shanmugam, current Minister of Home Affairs in Singapore. He is a Tamil. Can you tell from his name or look whether he is from upper or lower caste?

Madam Halimah Jacob, current President of Singapore. Father: Indian, mother: Malay, husband: Arab. Can you tell from her look whether she is from upper or lower caste.

[wuqijun]

How can you even tell when she’s already mixed. Maybe you would have to look at her father who is 100% Indian…

[Terri]

@Jane

@sfdragonboy

A lot of Asians, and not necessarily Asians, don’t like to manage people. They prefer to be individual contributors, as opposed to having to do performance reviews and not being able to sleep at night due to some managing issue. I should know…

Certainly true for me.
Managing people is an exhausting job and not much fun for me.

I dread the idea of managing people, and it is my biggest fear about starting my own business. If an Asian wants to do the job for me, go for it.

All that said, I have an Asian friend in management. He’s not an immigrant though, and he’s very sociable. He went back to get a management degree. It seems to me that it can be done, but that it takes a social personality to do it.

[BAJacket]

I’ll give my perspective. I manage people and enjoy it. The big problem I see with people hating being in management is that they tend to micro manage. I use to be guilty of this as well. The key thing is understanding that your role especially when dealing with experienced team members is you should be coaching and empowering your teammates and you should be allowing a degree autonomy. Your job is to help position them to excel on their own and not tell them to do task A, B and C.

[wuqijun]

I always tried to empower people… I tell them to be the best they can be…

[Elt1]

Managing engineers is different than managing uneducated workers…It requires out smarting them. Steve Jobs style worked…he just terrorized them…I personally think you need to keep them challenged beyond there ability, make them strive for the impossible. …keeps them from being bored…I always liked to make my engineers go into the field and get their hands dirty…I was trained that way…Engineers need to view and empathize how their designs are used and if they work…

[Terri]

@BAJacket

I’ll give my perspective. I manage people and enjoy it. The big problem I see with people hating being in management is that they tend to micro manage. I use to be guilty of this as well. The key thing is understanding that your role especially when dealing with experienced team members is you should be coaching and empowering your teammates and you should be allowing a degree autonomy. Your job is to help position them to excel on their own and not tell them to do task A, B and C.

For me, I’m just a major introvert. I’d rather deal with computers than people. I wouldn’t even know the right way to tell someone that they’re doing something wrong, and I’d be super uncomfortable doing it. Having to fire someone would keep me up at night. Having to tell someone I’m not hiring them would probably also make me feel bad. I’m just not cut out for it.

I’m also worried that I’d manage people and emergencies the way I manage my kids which is to yell at them. I’d be at my worst in a stressful situation. Maybe after I’ve had some years not having to herd cats—err raise kids–I’d be able to handle it better.

[Jane]

@Terri

For me, I’m just a major introvert. I’d rather deal with computers than people.

Same here.
I would rather deal with computer than people.
I mostly gain energy while i am alone in a quiet environment.

[sfdragonboy]

Ok, have you ever had a problem staffer yet that you had to manage out or outright fire yet? Imagine this, and tell me how you would handle it? You have a staffer who is kinda lazy and definitely not up to par with the rest of your staff but this individual was of the same skin tone as your boss and your boss of course favored this individual regardless so that you could never reprimand this person. Tell me, what do you do? True story. I should know…

[wuqijun]

Wait… then why do you guys even bother to post on a forum?

[wuqijun]

Tell him to go home and enjoy the rest of his day…

[harriet]

In general, Asians are more reserved than other ethnicities. I came across this topic with one of my non-Asian coworkers in the past and his view is that the timid nature of Asians, especially Chinese people, stems from Confucianism.

Also, most of the forum members here have an engineering background and engineers tend to be more introverted than others.

[hanera]

@harriet

In general, Asians are more reserved than other ethnicities. I came across this topic with one of my non-Asian coworkers in the past and his view is that the timid nature of Asians, especially Chinese people, stems from Confucianism.

He is right that Chinese is too influenced by Confucianism which put us at a disadvantage in America. We are taught to be humble, non demanding and 视弱, reward and recognition would come, don’t demand for them. Obviously don’t work in a society where the creaking wheels get oiled.

[wuqijun]

I think “timid” is the wrong word choice because of the negative connotaion. The term “reserved” is a better choice of word. I think East Asians tend to be more reserved in general not because of Confucianism but because of genetics. It is a natural deficiency (or advantage, depending on how your look at it ), so to overcome that people will need extra effort to break out of their own shell and be more dominant/individualistic minded. Actually, women also face this same kind of adversity, and they need to work extra hard as well to succeed.