Recession Watch

The bank highlighted that going back to at least 1975, corporate net interest payments would rise as the Fed raised interest rates. But for the first time in a long time, that isn’t happening. Instead, as the Fed raised rates over the past 15 months, corporate net interest payments actually fell.

“Normally when interest rates rise, so too do net debt payments, squeezing profit margins and slowing the economy. But not this time,” Societe Generale’s Albert Edwards said in a Thursday note, pointing to a chart that he called the “strangest” he has seen in a very long time.

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It turns out that during the period of near-zero interest rates, especially leading up to the pandemic and during the pandemic, corporations took advantage and refinanced a ton of their liabilities into long-term, low-rate, fixed debt.

According to data from Bank of America earlier this year, companies bought themselves some time to navigate higher rates. The debt composition of SP 500 companies includes just 6% in short-term floating rate debt, just 8% in long-term floating rate debt, 10% in short-term fixed debt, and a whopping 76% in long-term fixed debt.

“Companies have effectively played the yield curve in reverse and become net beneficiaries of higher rates, adding 5% to profits over the last year instead of deducting 10%+ from profits as usual,” Edwards said.

The lack of a profit decline means companies didn’t have to resort to a big wave of layoffs that would have dented the economy and thrown it into a recession.

*The low-rate, long-term debt held by corporations, combined with their pricing power during a time of elevated inflation, means most businesses were able to grow profits in a big way. *

‘Something very strange’ explains why a US recession has been delayed

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As long as the US consumers are still spending money I don’t see any recession coming.

Consumer spending increased in June, with gains across goods and services.

GDP grew 2.4% in Q2. Pretty strong growth.

The GDP report topped expectations, signaling robust economic growth. The Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow model was much closer to the Q2 figure than the consensus forecast .

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Goldman thinks the odds of recession happening in the next 12 months is only 15%, down from 20% previously.

Recession? What recession?

Richcession! Rich people own stocks and properties, those have declined in price sharply since 2021 peak for stocks and 2022 peak for properties. Hence, net worth of rich people have been declining.
However, wages of working class have been rising rapidly. Boom time for this group.

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Doesn’t look like Amazon is expecting a recession.

Exactly one year ago today Bloomberg predicted recession will happen within a year, with 100% chance.

:clown_face:

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Consumers are complete #yolo mode. If we do have one, it’ll get ugly. People have spent down their savings and racked up record CC debt. That’ll make any increase in unemployment brutal.

I’m still seeing the EV forums busy with people buying/considering EQS, R1S, etc. ie not enough posts about folks deferring or canceling orders for EVs costing >50k.

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Visa CEO not seeing any slowdown in consumer spending.

No recession? No RE reset? Then higher for longer. Mortgage rates stay high.

Anyhoo, is a richrecession, not a typical recession.

CNBC agrees with you.

Real personal income excluding government transfer payments rose to new all-time high in September

Wait until they release the CC debt data. It’ll be a new all-time high too. People are stupid. No one wants to cut back on spending or their lifestyle, so they just keep borrowing more to maintain it.

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