Telecommuting/ WFH and Remote Work

@manch is the old school waterfall passe’

Saw this on Blind. If you are on H1B, don’t try to cut corners and sneak out to another cheapo locale to save money. Even if your company approves it you will still likely get terminated if your company’s legal department finds out.

H1B is location and job specific.

H1B means inside States :rage: She obviously broke a rule and conveniently forgot to mention, also ignorance is not a good reason.

I believe H1B is 50 miles radius from the office your permanent office is.

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Some of the H1B rules are strict by US-H1B. I suspect Twitter would have taken this step to avoid getting penalized by USG (like Mis-use of H1B…etc). Even if it is beyond control of that H1B-employee, staying outside due to Coronovirus, flight etc, H1B enforcement is tougher and all companies must adhere. There is no escape.

and inside States.

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Saw this on Reddit:

I work for a recruiting/Talent acquisition outsourcing company in the Bay Area, (not staffing)

Except for companies that already had remote workers (typically small minor growth or no growth companies) as well as twitter, square and automattic all the ones we’ve spoken too plan on cutting pay to remote workers next fiscal year. Most are aiming for January, although some are December and February depending on the company.

If they’re already cutting your pay a lil, Your about to be slammed next year. Also I would worry about potential cuts within your company.

They’re planning on tying the pay of their employee to the zip code their IP matches them to compared to the home office cost of living. So if your in Mexico, you’ll get Mexico wages. 20-25% cut for Seattle appears to be the norm, to give you an idea of what to expect.

They’re pretty damn giddy about cutting pay, it’s reducing expenses and boosting the bottom line. They’re planning on most of not all employees to be back next summer in the office, if they’re not there they will cut them, a handful are willing to try the remote for longer but they’re already having so many productivity problems that it’s unlikely they’ll go past 2-3 years before coming back or the office. They don’t give a damn if a worker bought a house else where, they all say pretty much the same thing along these lines

“every employee is dispensable, our company running does not depend on a single individual employee, plus who wouldn’t want to work here at x, do you know how many resumes we get for every position, its easy to fill”

For my fellow tech workers, and residents in the Bay Area, enjoy this as much as you can until next summer, and then the mayhem will begin again. Unfortunately this phenomenon looks to be short lived.

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Across bay area, many companies initiated cost cuttings, project rollbacks. Economy is going on into recession now.

Outsourcing company = garbage. Top employers don’t use them. They have their own recruiting staff. Outsourcing is for companies that either pay crap and/or are horrible places to work.

There’s already a talent shortage of people to work at top companies. They aren’t going to piss off the employees they have. Even amazon realizes it’s churn rate is too high for its growth ambitions. They have a marketing team that’s only job is to get former employees to return to the company.

Companies don’t spend years cultivating a reputation on Glassdoor and a blind just to piss it all away.

Oddly, COVID seems to have reduced attrition at companies that are still growing. Our attrition is 1/3 of what is was pre-COVID, and we were already better than industry average.

WFH means need less IT support :thinking:

Actually more support and difficult task because it is in uncontrolled environment and harder to debug issue on your computer. But also means more and more things moving to the cloud.

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Nick Bloom, a Stanford GSB professor, was on Tyler Cowen’s podcast recently. His position on remote work is still the same. Long term productivity could get adversely affected, but short term it’s gonna be fine. It’s the missing new products, the missing new innovation, that affects long term economic growth.

In-person collaboration is necessary for creativity and innovation, Bloom says. His research has shown that face-to-face meetings are essential for developing new ideas and keeping staff motivated and focused.

“I fear this collapse in office face time will lead to a slump in innovation,” he says. “The new ideas we are losing today could show up as fewer new products in 2021 and beyond, lowering long-run growth.”

Socially it can get lonely working alone.

“The answer is social company,” Bloom says. “They reported feeling isolated, lonely and depressed at home. So, I fear an extended period of working from home will not only kill office productivity but is building a mental health crisis.”

Time will tell. Avoid works like never, forever.
BA will one day or the other go down the drains - perhaps in a few years.

That’s a really bold statement. We’ll have to see. :slight_smile:

A few years will go by really fast. Next presidential election (after this coming Nov). The virus should still be with us by then. Or maybe we won’t be with the virus any more.

Technology will make office irrelevant trust me.
Just like software is eating the world, it’ll eat the office too. Anyone can work from anywhere with the same efficiency.

Afterwards the intrinsic value of location would determine the price like natural beauty, vibrant culture, coastline, weather, infrastructure, space, quality of people and community, schools, etc.

BA is good but certainly not the best in the world on these metrics to deserve the current prices.

It’ll happen. In 2 years or 5 years or 20 years but will happen and relatively soon.

This GSB professor only concentrate on small part working from home as the reason for decrease for future innovation. when big picture will be relatively unattractiveness to attract best to work for US firms. when alternative financial structures will be better and bigger. Not to mention climate and infrastructure deficiencies.
Fires are now watched from space station. it is not just every year world is remanded of fires but complete lack of innovation in fighting fires. they need this advance airplanes that can fly low and can recharge water directly from the water reservoirs with high sorties generation.

Which is it? 2? 5?

20 years is not “soon”.

A case can be made for each of those numbers. Can’t predict really.

I know Covid is an once in a lifetime pandemic, but it will pass sooner or later. In China and most of Asia it’s mostly a thing of the past. Europe is about six months behind but they are also recovering. I suspect by June 2021 life will be back to normal here in the States.

People predicting long term decline of big cities like NYC and SF are really betting on the reversal of urbanization, a secular trend since the industrial revolution 200 years ago. Pardon my skepticism I don’t think such a multi century trend will go in reverse by such a short term event. If you want to see the future just look at Asia now. China is back to work. Korea is back to work. Taiwan is back to work. I have never heard Tencent or Alibaba have everyone work from home. They all return to their offices.

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