Anyway I can see i am not having a discussion but a ping pong match. Thanks for your thoughts… I would have liked to see them backed up by facts but never mind. I am guessing they don’t matter to you.
You say mass transit works in dense areas, but you’re against increasing density near mass transit.
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This will be my last post. They will build everywhere there are two bus stops. Which could be started and then stopped at any time.
Not enough. People will use cars. CA is not one big city. Or like the East Coast. Or other major cities. It’s a state. Imposing state laws is stupid.
Market forces may suck but companies will relocate if need be. Developers just want to build and stick CA with the leftover bills so if you buy or rent you will see your expenses rise anyway.
take care… and bye.
Chicken and egg, or egg and chicken? There’s no answer.
Give the freedom to the people. Remove the regulations. Both Chicken and egg will evolve to make a better California for all.
Too much regulations, too much restriction. Scott Wiener has a brain.
Even if you allow everyone to build 100 story buildings, it won’t make sense for many locations.
People are not stupid. Regulations can be stupid. Politicians can be stupid. Taking away people’s freedom is stupid.
I understand Lilly’s point of view. It is the majority view point. Nimbyies are the majority. Many of the BA problems are probably not solvable. I am happy living in Tahoe. I suspect a lot of retired people will leave the BA due to traffic and the high cost of living. The good news is there are plenty of other great places to live right here in California and other western neighboring states.
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You can’t argue free market and support zoning laws. Zoning laws are anti free market. A free market would let people use land for any purpose they see fit.
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That’s too bad. I thought ping pong was fun (and educational 
) I see your view about keeping the natural beauty of CA’s coast intact. SB 827 is more about connecting cities and working together.
Even though posters here are mostly investors, flippers and RE agents, there are long-time residents too. Maybe other NIMBYs are afraid to speak up?
You say state law is stupid but it’s actually prop 13 which has served to protect long-time homeowners and landholders, so much that it has produced more inequality in some ways and puts the breaks on economic development. It makes CA unique in some ways people from out-of-state may not identify with. Anyway, hope you will come back.
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People aren’t exactly being forced to accomodate new residents as was suggested. If they own property at the transit points targeted, it’s their choice to sell to whichever party they want to. Many people have chosen to keep things status quo and that’s why the volume of RE activity is generally low.
Well, there is a good news that tech giants have managed to acquire the property and blessings to take care of their employees housing needs:
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There is an interactive map here on the impacted areas. Here’s a screen dump:
Besides SF and Oakland there aren’t that many areas affected. Mostly along 101, not even along 280. Are you telling me there is a lot of nature along 101?
Besides 55’ is just not that tall. 
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Throwing tantrums 
If I’m the state government, I would mandate high rise in all downtowns (yes, want to call it downtown, you get the treatment), and near mass transit stations.
SB 827 doesn’t mandate any high density housing. You can still build single family houses on your land. SB 827 simply removes arbitrary city restrictions on landowner’s freedom to build a 5 story building at a transit rich location.
SB 827 is a bill to deregulate, it’s reducing regulation, not adding more laws.
Nobody should force the landowner to build a tall building on his land. Also nobody should force a landowner only builds a 2 story single family house on the land that could house 10 workers who could walk or bus or train to work everyday.
SB 827 will hurt rental property owners since more housing supply will depress rent. But I think it’s good for public good and still support it even though it hurts my interest.
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Won’t more housing supply reduce rents AND property prices?
That’s pretty much what he’s saying.
Actually the land prices will skyrocket. New construction for apartments is $500/ SF including land. Banks will not allow overbuilding or poorly financed projects.
Only class A apartments will be built. So owners of class C apartments and sfhs will not be hurt…Owners of houses where 8 stories can be built will get a huge windfall. Their house values will triple or more. Builders will bid up these prize lots… Win win
win… plus property tax revenues will go through the roof. Old timers can move to Tahoe lake front or Tahiti.
Everyone wins with capitalism… Every one looses with SF style “progressive”communism
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