Amazon HQ2

Planned economy has failed spectacularly. Nobody is smart enough to plan things, let the market plan it. Market is far from perfect, but it’s far superior than planned economy and its cousin socialism.

20 step logic and half baked research looks good from afar, but far from real if you spend time to verify and check. Only make a citation when you are sure it’s real and correct

Maybe you’re unaware that King County spends over $100k per homeless. It’s a combination of government and private sources. A large study was done on it. I’ve posted it before. That or they recently cleared out a 30 person encampment. Everyone was offered help and 29/30 turned it down. Most cited rules at shelters about not being able to use drugs or have sex.

Maybe the city who’s zoned 85% of the land SFH should take some blame. They’ll allow high density office space, but they want housing to be SFH.

Amazon has donated building space and money to Mary’s Place and Fare Start which help the homeless and poor.

The problem is people will always blame Amazon and no amount of help will ever be enough.

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People need to stop blaming others and take some dam personal responsibility.

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In a democracy, there is no need to do so, just pressurize the incumbent government or vote for one that pander to your needs.

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We’ve reached critical mass of victimhood. Most people believe they are a victim. They vote for whoever most validates their victimhood. It doesn’t matter if the solutions are terrible or would make things worse. Trump and Bernie both capitalized on the mentality to have massive popularity. The main difference is who they blame for creating the victims.

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People voted with their voices, protesting HQ2 in their neighborhood; Bezos, rather than trying to lay out the terms and work out a compromise, withdrew. People have had enough of billionaire presidents using the office for private gain tweeting “PRESIDENTIAL HARRASSMENT” or the richest man in the world demanding more tax breaks when his lowest paid employees got to subsist on food stamps. Time for them to face the music :drum: Poor people gonna rise up :drum:

The problem with voting is the crony capitalism (corporate heads bribing politcal leaders). It is clear now why Bezos’ had selected NYC and DC, the country’s capitals of the business and political realms–to buy his influence. Local Seattle officials felt it was important to give a heads up to the communities in those areas since they were being kept in the dark wrt all of the details of bids (giveaways), thanks to the forced NDAs imposed by Amazon.

Marcus, here’s a good article about it, from someone who speaks your language: Amazon’s Great HQ2 Swindle | The American Conservative

Indeed, under the guise of a multi-billion dollar development contest, Amazon successfully convinced the mayors and governors of 238 North American cities and regions to voluntarily surrender a treasure trove of information ranging from future infrastructure projects to land use patterns and everything else in between—all without being charged a dime.

Armed with this detailed data, Amazon will not only have a competitive advantage over its rivals in retail and cloud computing, it will also have a serious upper hand at the negotiating table with state and local governments, as it will know precisely how much taxpayer money it will be able to extract from public funds.

(About the homeless topic, yes I read about the expenses and the details as outlined in the article I posted as well. What I saw as the lesson, or takeaway, was the importance to treat it at it’s source and to prevent rather than aggravate the situation.)

You realize 70% of residents supported it. A very vocal minority got the project canceled then celebrated their city won’t get 25,000 jobs paying an average of over $150k/yr or the $27B in future tax revenue. Yeah, that sure sounds like a win.

That article is ignorant. Transit plans and zoning maps are public info. You can get it from any city website. There’s no secret or competitive advantage.

So your position is spending over $100k per homeless person isn’t enough and more taxes on corporations are needed? If you want to get at the root, then stop people from being criminals, drug addicts, alcoholics, or being mentally ill without taking meds. All of those make them unemployable which is why msot homeless have some combination of those 4 issues. There’s a reason homelessness increased as opioid use increased. A corporation doesn’t cause those issues. A society where kids grow up in broken homes causes them. That’s not the fault of corporations.

IF, in fact, the information was public, then why were all bids and deals held confidential, with non-disclosure agreements? The secrecy invites speculation. Somehow the image of having a Scrooge-like figure taking over the community didn’t jive well with some people in NY. Especially so when benefits were to be signed off to a company with a reputation for destroying retail.

You brought up Detroit in another thread (regarding Seattle), so I guess it is a valid concern. If Bezos was serious about the deal he could have easily found ways to alleviate concerns about housing and low income residents.

Homelessness in Seattle is not a big concern on this forum (although San Jose comes right below in numbers), so I didnt want to belabor the point. I don’t think communities can rely on Amazon to take care of them when companies don’t have any social responsibility except to maximize profit and dispose of employees when they finished with them. What will happen in the next downturn?

For profit company is not a government body, it’s wrong to require for profit corporates to solve homeless and housing problems.

Homeless problem is better to be solved by addiction prevention and control. Housing shortage can be solved by less restrictions in building and the market pricing. Housing price increase is the most powerful and the most effective means to solve housing shortage and redistribute population and jobs. If Silicon Valley is as cheap as Las Vegas, fewer people would move there. Actually, Silicon Valley population could be 20 million if it’s as cheap as Las Vegas and the income stay the same.

It can also be solved in communist ways. You can make schools only available to kids who were born in the same city. You can make it illegal for people to move here if they were not born here and not already issued a government permit to move to this city. You can forbid landlords to rent housing to illegal resident who have no valid permit to be here. You can forbid jobless people from moving to a different city.

Thank you very much, The Market! Go away, communism!!

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Now you just run in circles and avoid questions. I guess the $100k per homeless person isn’t enough spending. You’ll continue to blame a corporation for government mismanagement of government funds. You’ll continue to blame corporations for societal problems like single parenthood.

Is 400 new jobs worth reporting? Journalists should spend more time on Apple and Google instead, Amazon is grabbing all the attention

Amazon’s HQ2 Boosts Northern Virginia Housing, Cools NYC

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-23/amazon-s-hq2-boosts-northern-virginia-housing-pares-nyc-gains?srnd=premium

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Turns out it isn’t about who offers the biggest incentives. If you have a good business environment, then you don’t need to go crazy with incentives.

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Took Jeff so long to come out with a good logical reason and cook up a story? Read, 50% true, 50% bs.

Among the external sources the team looked at, Huseman revealed, was CNBC’s America’s Top States for Business studies. The 2017 study ranked Washington as the top state, which was no help — the company already has a headquarters there. The 2018 rankings put Texas at No. 1, and Huseman confirms that they looked closely at Dallas and Austin. Both cities were among the 20 finalists for the project.

“It turns out that tech talent was the biggest driving factor for us,” Huseman said. “Both tech talent on day one, but also tech talent in the future.”

Saying the obvious, everybody know in tech, talent, talent, talent.

Texas finishes second in the rankings following its fourth Top States win in 2018. The state is still a business leviathan that has never finished outside the top five in our study.

Amazon Turns Northern Virginia Into Country’s Most Competitive Home Market

  • Arlington, Alexandria homes get snapped up within two weeks

  • ‘Amazon effect’ leads to supply shortage, Redfin study shows

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-19/amazon-turns-northern-virginia-into-most-competitive-home-market?srnd=premium