Be afraid: China is on the path to global technology dominance


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#383

Don’t want to open new thread so here goes the link


#384

Your partner DD screw up is your fault.


#385

Obviously nobody should lend money to poor countries, because those people are too stupid they always end up being taken advantage of by the wickedly clever Chinese.

If you believe in that you should also ban payday loans and subprime mortgages. What if poor people can’t get any loans after you ban the loans that they can actually get? Well, riding tall on the moral high horse of course nobody cares.


#386

All these swipes at Belt and Road from the Western media is just ridiculous. From the NYT article:

China seemed particularly interested in oil from Ecuador, one of OPEC’s smallest members. In one deal in 2009, China lent Ecuador $1 billion, to be repaid in oil shipments to the state oil company PetroChina.

“But we didn’t have other options,” Mr. Borja recalled. “The doors were closed to the West.”

So the West didn’t want to lend to Ecuador, and China is evil because it did? If Chase refused your mortgage application but Wells didn’t, and you later defaulted, it’s Wells’ problem that they are evil to lend to you in the first place?

High interests rate and bad loan terms come about because poor people and poor countries don’t have that many options. If the West is upset about that, it can always lend at a more favorable term. So essentially their position is, we don’t lend them money and therefore you can’t too?


#387

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Same kind of logic used when GTAT went bankrupt, many blame Apple.

:+1:

Is amazing such logic is spouted by public reputable news sites. Even more appalling is supposedly highly educated (and hence excellent critical thinking skills?) believe them.


#388

The World Bank has a specific page to list its research on BRI. It’s quite good.

Western media’s complaints about BRI being just an excuse to export China’s excess capacity is so small minded and dangerously underestimates Xi’s strategic goals.

China’s development model is infrastructure heavy. They believe in heavy investment in infrastructure like ports and railways and its potential to lift up a country’s productivity. How can you export anything if your ports are rotten and roads are just mud roads? It offers a different development model from the one the West has been preaching since WW2 and frankly didn’t work at all. I don’t think it’s that crazy for them to try something new.


#389

Infrastructural projects are inherently risky/ controversial because of high capital investment upfront and future benefits are unknown (usually projected outcomes using some econometric models). I recalled many bloggers comment on BART projects… frankly I didn’t follow that closely… vaguely recalled over-budget, delays, insufficient usage, USA is car-based culture, etc.


#390

Yes, that NY times article is a one-sided account. At least China attempted to built a dam there to improve lives. Did any other country lift a finger?


#391

The Ecuador mega dam project, plus a crap ton of other projects, cost $19B and NYT was crying bloody murder.

Then there is the price tag: around $19 billion in Chinese loans, not only for this dam, known as Coca Codo Sinclair, but also for bridges, highways, irrigation, schools, health clinics and a half dozen other dams the government is scrambling to pay for.

Some comparison:

The new Bay Bridge, well only about half of it is new, cost $6B.

Central subway linking SF Chinatown to Downtown, only 1.7 miles long but cost $1.6B. That comes to about $1B per mile.

BART extension from Fremont to San Jose Downtown, 6 new stations, estimated to cost over $6B. So it’s about $1B per station.


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