There are lot of places in California where affordable housing can be built. What is special about moss landing?
If the SFBA becomes unaffordable to certain professions, those professionals will move to other places raising the wages for those professions in SFBA. Wages will keep rising until supply and demand match. Are wages rising?
Another way to look at it is, if you want Palo Alto homes to become available at Fresno Price, then jobs paying Palo Alto income should also become available in Fresno.
Exactly what happened.
Tricky concept for services.
Sometimes I wonder, are you saying just to say something?
I am not interested in the Fresno and PA thingy.
The theory of demand and supply and labor mobility has been in force since time unknown. People, animals, birds, and sea creatures migrate where they can find food and shelter to grow their species. Traders and business people move the goods and services around to earn profits. This is called economics and I can say I did not invent these.
Population explosion generally results in outward migration. The people and living beings emigrate (opposite of immigrate) form an area when the food and shelter is in shortage. That may be reason why California has stopped growing in population. Recall a few days ago i suggested the word ROPE (return on personal effort ).
And this also raises question, why are teachers, firemen and policemen are not getting paid enough. Where are our taxes going that rise in same proportion as the income of the State? You cannot blame mismanagement and corruption in the state on housing.
Don’t know what the point you want to make.
You said no definition of shortage but there is already a definition by real estate industry.
You said housing crisis is not defined, it was defined many times by media and government.
So what is your message? No macro theory please.
My message is that “Housing Shortage” is a fake narrative created by politicians and the people in the real estate business.
I have repeated it several times. People keep asking me to explain.
Look like you don’t agree that there is a real shortage in SV. And I don’t think you should use demand and supply curve to explain no shortage, IMHO, is a way to relate price, demand and supply. So far, you are explaining how equilibrium is reached, that doesn’t mean shortages are resolved.
Moss Beach near Half Moon bay. Moss Landing is in Monterey bay
No. But the Sierra Club has no moral authority or any special standing to say or do anything about housing. Just a bunch of cranky old white liberal anti social hippy nimby wackjobs. Who want the western US to be returned to the pristine environment of pre-Colombian days.
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I know where the moss landing is. I have passed by several times that place on the way to Half moon bay. That is why I asked who would choose that place for affordable housing. Actually a lot of people have no moral authority to do things they do. Who are these “affordable housing” people anyway?
I am not seeing any new information this discussion so let me summarize my views:
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SFBAY housing is expensive. It is what it is. But, that is not a housing crisis. The market looks healthy. People who want home and willing to pay are able to find one.
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There are enough plumbers and teachers living in the bay area. So are cops and firefighters.
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If you have difficulty finding plumber or handyman, go to yelp. You request one quote, 20 of them will reply.
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“Affordable Housing” , “Housing crisis” , etc are the hoax of the same class in which I put “Climate Change” and “Global Warming”
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On a side note, I find funny teachers complaining of not getting paid enough. In California, Teachers union is very strong, and they control votes for political parties. They should ask what is happening to our taxes that should go towards paying them a salaries. Other unionized professions (with in government employees ) should come forward and ask the same question instead of using union power for fake issues like Housing Crisis and Climate Change.
Moss Landing is near Monterey
Half Moon bay is south of Moss Beach. Moss Landing is an hour south.
The Half Moon Bay Area has a water shortage. Their water company has little capacity. The whole area is anti growth. There was a project burned to ground during construction there a few years ago. So yes there are anti growth terrorists there.
30-50 years ago a developer found out you could drill for potable water on residential lots in El Granada, Moss Beach, Montara and other areas north of Half Moon Bay. This created a mini building boom. I was the engineer on many of those projects. Somehow the nimbyies shut down that boom. Nobody out there wants any newcomers.
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Many concepts by economists are not applicable to individual consumers.
Equilibrium of demand and supply is a theoretical concept. In real life, equilibrium is never reached (may be for a split second) since everything is moving targets. So in real life, could be continually shortages, continually excess or flip-flip between excess and shortages.
From an individual consumer’s perspective, if something is not at expected availability at your expected price range, it is a shortage. Please don’t confuse with expensive which mean either you can’t afford or unwilling to pay.
I googled “I hate the Sierra Club” this is what appeared. They are annoying hypocrites
The Sierra Club is the lefts version of the NRA. Even in 1960 is was just 7,000 hiking enthusiasts. Now 750,000 enviro-nazis dedicated to stopping any development anywhere. Nimbyies on steroids.
They may well be enemies of Human and Housing rights of some, but they are protecting the human and housing rights of others, like the people who already live in SFBA . Without them, the “affordable housing” people would have converted SFBA into a giant high density low quality habitat.
The environmentalists and nymbies cut the population in half. Plenty of people prefer large cities. The BA would have had 14 million without this opposition. A city that large could have a world class subway system like NYC and London. Now it has the traffic of LA and the most expensive housing in the country. Personally I am not a fan of dense cities. But many do and mass transit only works with high density.
NYC and London are not that dense. For NYC except in Manhattan most are mid to lowrises. SF should be like that. Why build SFH’s on some of the most expensive land on the planet? If we upzone the whole of SF and SJ to 4 stories there won’t be any housing shortage. People who like to live like country folks can always move to Marin.
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You only get to decide what is good for you. Others get to figure out what is good for them.