Gun Control

Uhmmmmmm. Whattt??? So much for the right-wing gun-toting white supremicist plot on this one…

The Satanic angle is a possiblity… Speaking of which, check out this guy. You’re in trouble when even the guy’s mom says he should never be around another person…

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Comparing mass shooting to the flu is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. That’s like comparing death on drug overdose to choking on water.

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It’s good for selling flu vaccines. :stuck_out_tongue:

BTW: Interesting stats on the flu–the majority of people who die are over 75. So you’re also talking about death rates for very different age groups… I’m guessing that the majority of gun deaths as well as suicide are much younger people.

Just bringing up a different data point of information. Not talking about depression.

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What’s funny is all the possible contributions mentioned, food,depression, otc drugs… are certainly possible contributors. But like assault weapon regulation, regulation of these things, or spending money to support improving them, are likely non-starters with republican politicians.

What things are Republicans willing to actually do to reduce mass killings?

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Lots of things have been done. 3 of 4 solutions in the one article are already law. There are background checks. There are outcry laws. There are laws to take guns away from people arrested for domestic abuse. When are people going to educate themselves on existing laws before demanding laws that already exist?

The AR-15 went on sale in 1963. Why are mass shootings something that became an issue the last 10 years? The same gun, ammo, magazines, etc were available for decades.

Just look at the 10 countries with the highest homicide rate. Many of them outlaw gun ownership. It hasn’t worked.

Gun control advocates love to reference Australia. The US had a larger decrease in homicide rate over the same time period. Australia saw an increase in burglary and sexual assault while they decreased in the US. The #1 thing criminals fear is an armed victim.

Drugs have been illegal for years. We’ve spent billions and probably trillions in the war on drugs. Illegal drug deaths set a new record every year.

Legal gun owners prevent 2.5M crimes a year. That study was funded by the Clinton administration who wanted to prove gun ownership doesn’t prevent crime. The researcher called it the most shocking result of his career and admitted it probably understated the actual number.

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Republicans, and the NRA, have been bought by the gun industry and the Russians. They please their lobbyists, nobody else.

Meanwhile, the people deflecting the massacres as “whatever” they please to change the subject to, can’t even compare presidents. :face_vomiting::face_vomiting::face_vomiting::face_vomiting:

I agree with you on this point–getting Big Pharma to clean up its act would actually be harder than restricting guns… Neither Dems nor Republicans will go up against them as they would get buried in the next election… never bite the hand that feeds you…

How about putting God back in the schools - along with the Pledge of Allegiance - to foster a sense of unity? How about instilling a sense of value for ALL life - born or unborn?
Since these are things the Left has attacked since before the advent of all these mass shootings Occam’s razor suggests a return to them would help mitigate the problem.

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Essay by a lady who dated the Ohio shooter. A treatise really on how societal changes have produces freaks like that guy.
https://medium.com/@adeliajohnson/my-ex-boyfriend-was-the-dayton-shooter-2b7f2d792b68

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That was a very brave letter for her to write. Thank you for sharing it. I hope that she may find peace, sanity, and healing.

So no, not willing to do anything

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The flying spaghetti monster God?

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So that’s the response to finding out 3/4 requested laws are actually already laws.

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Finally they called it terrorism, geez:

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Ok, I’ll bite. Yes, there are laws but they are either in a minority of states or have gaping loopholes. Close the f…n loopholes.

  1. Background checks: yes, there are federal background checks but they are only required when you purchase a gun from a licensed dealer. ~1 out of 4 sales is between private individuals and a background check is never conducted. Close the gaping loophole…
  2. Red flag laws: 17 states currently have red flag laws. Prior to 2018 it was only 5. Most mass shooters exhibit one or more red flags…the other 2/3rds of the country needs to get with the program and put red flag laws on the books.
  3. High capacity magazines, bump stocks, etc.: more than half of mass shooting involve high capacity magazines. These shootings also have far more injuries and fatalities, so if you look at the cost of the shootings in terms of injuries or lives lost it is probably 70–80% of deaths. These things need to be banned or seriously restricted like they are in California. What do you use a 100 round drum magazine for other than to shoot up a movie theater?
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The stated goal is to reduce mass shootings.

How many mass shooters bought a gun via private sale?

How many mass shootings happen in states with red flag laws vs states without the law? Has a red flag law ever stopped someone who was intent on committing mass shooting?

Has any mass shooter had 100 bullet capacity clips? A lot of people mention 10 as the cutoff. 10 vs 30 is a pretty marginally difference with someone experienced reloading. Then there’s the whole issue of the law wouldn’t prevent people from getting high capacity clips.

Oh, and what does the vast majority occurring in gun free zones tell you?

Interesting questions, I am not wikipedia.

The consensus is that background checks are reasonably effective and have stopped millions of sales to felons over the years. They would obviously be more effective if the law were tightened up and extended to individuals with documented mental health disorders (I appreciate this is complicated and a civil rights issue…worthy of discussion nonetheless…if you have a prescription for SSRIs I don’t think you should be allowed to own an AR + drum magazine).

Who used high capacity magazines? Off the top of my head, Dayton and Vegas…it’s supposedly >50% of these events. There is a huge difference between magazines of ten rounds and 100…which is what both Betts and Paddock used. Paddock shot over 500 people from his perch in the casino. He had the weapons all teed up with 100 round magazines so didn’t even have to reload. There’s no way he could could have done that with 10 round clips.

Ah, now it is about the gun free zones in movie theaters/concerts/sports games. If everybody had a kalashnikov at church, problem solved. No mass shootings here:

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