Antibiotics and better sanitation have also wiped out a number of diseases and reduced the death rate for many. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Sorry, antibiotics is medicine and human made. It is not Godās willā¦
sfdragonboy, I never claimed to be a faith healer. But pencillin was discovered, not made.
Hereās a neat one:
Sure, but it doesnāt magically work itself into some sick child either, now does it? 
You keep claiming that the Medical community supports vaccines, so everyone should do them. I would suggest you ask your brother-in-law a couple of questions:
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Do you agree with the CDC recommended schedule for vaccines? If not, what parts would he change?
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If he disagreed with either the schedule, the CDC recommendations, or thought vaccines werenāt safe (hypothetically speaking, even if he does agree with all), does he think he or his colleagues could openly dissent without risking their jobs?
Why #2? Because you are relying on the idea that most medical professionals think vaccines are safe. I am under the understanding that medical professionals cannot dissent without risking their jobs unless they are part of a concierge practice where they have more freedom to speak their mind and arenāt financially dinged if they donāt keep their vaccination percentages up. And even then, many of them know that they may be harassed if they speak up loudly enough.
For example, from the article: France Decides to Opt Out of Vaccines | Circle of Docs
Despite the extremely high percentage of French doctors who question vaccines, it would be incorrect to say that American doctors are completely in the dark. 13% of pediatricians in the US deviate from the recommended CDC vaccination schedule for their own kids. Here is a quotation from the spouse of the department chair of pediatrics at a major university system in the United States who wished to remain anonymous for obvious reasons (identification might very well cause harassment or termination!)
āMy son is one of those pediatricianās kids. Heās nearly 5 and never been vax. His pediatrician parent is the department chair of pediatrics at a MAJOR university system. Why donāt we vaccinate? The burden of proof is on them to show that itās safe. And they havenāt. And believe meā¦.weāve been through every. single. piece. of research!ā
This is what bothers me about you parents that want to go against the grain, you endanger the lives of everyone else! For example, I could care less if someone wanted to kill himself. Fine, do it, but donāt jump off the Bart platform and ruin eveyoneās day for Christās sakeā¦
Is it fair for other kids and the general public to be subjected to your kids who may have viruses that could have well been prevented had them been immunized in the first place? If you homeschooled them to adulthood and never exposed them to others, we wouldnāt be discussing this at allā¦
Public transit carries a risk of death. Do you avoid it completely. Driving a car has a risk of death, do you shun it? Flying in a plane has a small but present risk of death, Iām sure you avoid it like the plague.
I know several people who have died in a hospital.
Iāll never enter a hospital 
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Vaccinations are the same. Yes you may have an adverse reaction. You may die. But the risk vs benefits profile greatly favors vaccination.
Did noone here pay attention in that class called stats?
I wonāt reveal my work attire. However, ignorance and heresay must be countered. I love this forum, Iāve been around since redfinās 2012 heyday.
You are all raging on Terri for her stance on vaccinations but I believe the last time we discussed this she stated she has them vaccinated but is cautious about which vaccines she gives them.
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Thatās fine. Besides, more the merrier. This would make our fearless leaderās dayā¦
Opinion from all angles is fine and great. We all learn something and perhaps gain some perspective that maybe we didnāt anticipate before. Nothing wrong with that.
No rage. Terri has always succinctly conveyed her stance. Conversation between between people consist of arguments and counter arguments, no emotion.
Well, that is not exactly correct @sheriffā¦ if you go to the record, the email string, I asked her about her stance on vaccines and got called out for not being vaccinated enough and being misinformed about essentially the value of vaccines. Again, I have no problem with what a parent does with his/her own child but leave the rest of us out of it literally meaning donāt pass the germs to us! Fair enough?
Germs no, we all have germs.
Viruses are what vaccines protect against.
Point duly noted about petri dishes.
Iāve instructed my five year old to wear a mask, Carry hand soap and to sleep outside.
Iām sick of getting sick!
If you are worried about catching a vaccine preventable disease, then vaccinate yourself. Thatās what theyāre for right?
I see points on both sideā¦Vaccines are necessary and have saved millionsā¦And wiped out small pox, polioā¦But big pharma is making big money scaring the shit out of all of usā¦The shingles vaccine is hyped beyond beliefā¦only 50% effective and costs $300ā¦but schools are obligated to protectthe majority. ā¦
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And bacteriaāTetanus, Diptheria, pertussis, pneumococcal, Hib (Haemophilus Influenzae Type b), Meningococcal.
Again virus. Bacteria tends to be gram neg and gean pos. Viruses are more complex. Hence the need for vaccine. Immune response , the body of a humans own, is why vaccines work. No vaccine against mrsa as itās a bacteria aka germ.
Plus adults and elderly would have a reduced risk of shingles if they were being re-exposed to wild-type varicella (chicken pox) when kids catch it. In order to reduce the risk of shingles, you need to be periodically exposed to varicella to keep the immunity. Since most kids are vaccinated nowadays, most adults are not getting that reinforced immunity.