Why Trump still may win

I never said she’s not leading in the polls, all I said was she is not massively leading in the polls. Please do not alter what I said. My statement was I would see her victory as a “clear win” if she wins 3+ swing states on election day, that was it.

With Mitt Romney (IMO, stronger than Trump), Obama won these states.

In Trump vs Hillary, Trump has weakened his base with many sets like immigrants (Citizens) and others.

If Hillary wins landslide, the credit goes to Trump alone as he weakened his position by not being polished politician.

It must be easy win for her.

Hillary will get 400+ EV. It won’t be close.

I was so conservative. As usual, you are agreesive ! Just verified EVs. If she wins with 400+, then she exceeds Bill Clinton’s both wins.

400 is simply, It is true landslide !

To me the only race worth wondering about is the Senate race. House is too far out for the Dems. Senate is within reach. As of today the race is too close to call.

More interesting and much more important question long term is how the Trump cancer will affect GOP mid to long term. Trump won’t go away. Like Obama said GOP created this monster that’s turning around and eating them alive. I won’t deny it, I find a lot of joy in seeing that karma does kick some butt in this case. Trump’s “luxury” brand is toxic now, but he has this new brand catering to the alt-right crazies. So he will use it to his max benefit.

Trump will be a force in 2018, and he may be a force come 2020. Much depends on whether he and Breibart really starts a new media outlet. Trump owns 40% of GOP base who follows him without question. He’s a cult leader. He can practically dictates who wins in GOP primaries. He’s the king maker.

I am predicting now GOP will also lose the mid term in 2018. Yes, I am really aggressive… :smile:

If Demo gets Senate and House majority, Trump can not force/stall anything with Hillary.

If he has good GOP base, he can split the GOP into two - at worst. He will not be followed or given any publicity, neither TV media etc, he will be sidelined.

After the election, I do not think he will have enthusiasm to run as political leader.

I think you misunderstand Trump, and the evil forces he unleashed. The following WaPo article lays out in detail what I have been thinking about:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-end-of-trump-wont-end-the-gops-problems/2016/10/14/a45cd538-9096-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.c41e2848ffae

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Trump has so far enjoyed success in his business, wealth…etc whatever he wanted, he used to get - by virtue of his wealth.

In politics, he won all 13 primary candidates and almost knocked them out. Such occurrences make him headstrong and thinks he is right. IMO, he does not understand that his Rep.Nom win is based on others (Competitor’s and party’s) weakness, but not because of his political strength.

He is trying this same all knockout strategies with Hillary, which is really wrong right from the start. If he lose with 271 to 269, he will continue to think he has mass behind him. What he is going face is complete failure when she gets 400+ votes (or even 350+ votes) with Senate and House with her.

If 400+ comes true, he will get shocked (when he realizes) and shout for few days, months, then stop working. Even the base mass he has will not even care about him after this election.

If he tries to inflict GOP leaders or any further fight against Hillary (esp after win), it will cost him a lot, his empire cash reserve diminish.

If he is true leader, stand up for the cause of his mass base, as a kind of social service, he can survive or challenge a group. But, he is not that kind of social service person.

He will be single man with some followers and a poor mass rep.base. It is hard for him to face the group GOP leaders who wants to continue holding the powers.

Ultimately, he will vanish slowly. He will be seen in wikipedia and in history. Last 30-40 years, I have seen such politics.

To me, he is done deal in this election and once for all his political future.

Romney was stronger than Trump, but at the same time Obama was stronger than Hilary (and Obama was more likable in general), so I don’t think you can compare apples to apples.

I don’t think Hillary will get more than 400 EVs. We shall see.

True, Obama is individually stronger than Hillary, but he also faced tougher Persons from Rep Side. It was equal fight that resulted less margin win as independents are divided equally.

Here, Trump alienated himself (gave her more votes) from various communities. Those who were alienated vote against him crossing the party. Their feelings or insecurity on Trump Presidency force them vote against Trump. This is Trump’s free gift to Hillary. Trump is weaker person that adds lot of independent voters to swing towards Hillary.

Now, Gloria Allred representing a woman, against Trump. Gloria is normally strong with evidence, pulled down Meg Whitman and other celebrities in the past.

He is digging( In fact, already done) his own graveyard ! This is the main reason, I guess Hillary wins Landslide, more than Obama.

Instead of Hillary Clinton running we should have Michelle Obama. She gives one heck of a speech.

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Michelle should run and win in 2024. GOP may not even exist by then.

US Presidents had created self control not to stand elections more than two terms and later made it mandatory, but this is defeated by close relatives coming in elections.

Hillary herself an issue of creating dynasty rule like the way Bush family in Presidency. If power goes to same family or related people in same family, it becomes like kingdom rule !

True democracy, everyone must have fair chance to hold the offices but not limited to single family or group of family in the power.

We are not a true democracy. We were never supposed to be. I think people forget that voting rights were originally very limited. It was up to the states to decide who could vote, and mostly only allowed male property owners to vote. Our founders were very wise in many regards, and they didn’t want everyone to vote. We should probably try to understand why that was.

Hope you are not one of those Trump supporters for repealing the 19th Amendment…:tired_face:

I see the (main) candidates of this election representing the past (Trump), present (Clinton) and future (Sanders). Time does not go backwards.

Except for the UK, in which time does fall backwards.

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Problem with excluding some people from voting is that government would lack legitimacy from them.

Trump is actively inciting coup and mutiny now. It’s not just racism and sexism any more, even though they are already rock bottom bad. He is now out to destroy our republic and our democracy.

Trump is a traitor.

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You’re missing the point.

We also didn’t have income taxes. We had tariffs. We taxed consumption not income. We never had budget deficits or debt except war. We became the largest economic power in the world around 1900. We started income taxes in 1913 and greatly expanded voting in 1920. By 1932, we started running a deficit almost every single year. We’ve grown govenemnt spending exponentially and accumulated a record amount of debt. Government debt is now growing more than GDP $8T vs $3.5T since 2009.

Whenever everyone votes, you have to spend to keep everyone happy to get re-elected. That’s why spending only goes up and up. We can’t afford to spend to keep everyone happy and make the govenemnt give them everything they want. Allowing non-tax payers to decide how to spend govenemnt money is similar to a family letting the children decide how to spend money. Families don’t work that way for a reason.

It amazes me people with children aren’t more worried. By 2032-2041, interest in debt, Medicare, Medicaid, and social security will consume 100% of tax revenue. It only gets worse from there. We don’t have a plan.

If debt is the price for democracy, that’s price well worth paying.

Frankly I don’t worry much about debt. If anything I think we should borrow more to take advantage of the rock bottom rate. Our infrastructure is worse than China’s, which is still technically a 3rd world country. We need to invest more in ourselves.