Is it about vitamin D deficiency?
You donât have to get married to have an active social life.
We were lucky 9 years ago to meet tons of locals in Tahoe. We now have many more friends and social activities than the BA. Plus most of our friends are within 20 minutes. The BA is so big to keep connected and many of my friends were an hour away. Small town living has lots of social advantages.
Thatâs a really good question. I havenât looked into it closely. Lierre Keithâs book talks about it a bit - apparently she has lingering health problems from having become a vegan as a teen. People seem to fare better if they do it as an adult because their body is fully formed.
I wonder if itâs a collagen problem (no bone broth).
I looked about her and found this below. As you mentioned proper balanced food even if itâs vegan diet is enough to have a good health. Seems like she hasnât mentioned what exactly she took 20 years. We need nutrition not the flesh. If all of the nutrients are derived from plants why not avoid the cruelty?
Eating collagen never did anything for anyoneâs collagen production. It just gets broken down into amino acid soup in the stomach. But there are a host of other things which are hard to get from vegan diets. Certain of the B vitamins and D3, which a lot of people are deficient in because of the now 30 year old advice to slather SPF 5000 sun block all over before you go outside to get the mail. I can believe that vegan diets are sub-optimal for growing children who need not only the vitamins but the fatty acids for neurological development. Even young iguanas need at least some insect matter in the diet. If vegans could at least see their way to eating bugs they might fare better.
Only vitamin missing is B12 and can have supplement. Even some meat eaters take b12 supplement. D3 is there in mushroom and omega-3 is available in many sources.
Iâm wondering if scoliosis is related to osteoporosis. Most people probably donât get enough vitamin K2, but eggs and butter (grass-fed cows) are a main source for non-vegans unless youâre eating natto or other fermented foods.
BTW: you said âWe need nutrition not the flesh.â We evolved as omnivores. There is nutrition in eating meat, but it needs to be pastured. Supplements are nice, but they donât give you a fully rounded diet. Neither does McDs.
I didnât finish the book, but I would disagree with this personâs summary. Lierre stopped being vegan not because of her health problems, but because philosophically she stopped seeing life as a top-down predatory structure and started to see it as a circle of life. Her veganism was philosophical - to the point where she grew her own vegetables instead of buying them at the store because she knew that large-scale farming means tilling the soil and killing rodents. And she says she kept finding that her plants wanted bone meal and blood meal. So she started raising birds and when they died, sheâd bury them by the plants.
But when she started to see life as a circle - that even predators become food for plants, worms, and other life - she no longer had a philosophical reason to be vegan. Her focus on humanely raising animals (and plants) remains.
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âCycle of lifeâ has a pre-condition. Humans are not supposed to over-consume its fair share, certainly not to the point of modern mechanized animal raising and aggressive overfishing. Otherwise it ceases to be a cycle and becomes more like a one-way street.
Humans are biologically structured as a omnivore, true. But over the entire history of human existence we consumed very little meat. In hunter-and-gatherer period we were limited to what we could hunt. In the old agriculture period meat was too expensive. Only around the end of WW2 or so we could start having steaks at every meal. And now that everybody has access to cars we donât even move our butts much at all.
Who determine what is a fair share? You?
One-way street? We feed them, breed them, and house them. Their population may also have increased with humansâ help.
can I assume you are against factory farming but ok with pasture raised?
for what? noble cause?
Humans have evolved to live on all sorts of diets. Traditional Inuit eat a diet thatâs over 90% animal protein. They eat their meat lightly cooked or raw because meat is their primary source of vitamin C and you loose it by cooking the meat. Interestingly, when you virtually eliminate carbs from your diet your requirement for vitamin C drops from 30 mg a day to 5mg.
Some rural Asians still live on 90% carbs, mostly rice.
Some African tribes exist on 90% milk from their dairy animals.
Meat/Veggies portion is only one part of the whole picture. What kind of meat? What kind of veggies? Going beyond diet, there are questions like whatâs the weather like? What kind of activities do they take everyday?
Need to look at the whole picture. Just saying âX people eat Y diet and live to N yearsâ is missing a lot of important contexts.
Science also progresses literally every day. There are new things to learn. What used to be true may not be anymore.
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You didnât follow the conversation? @manch says is an one-way street. It isnât. For food obviously. Is a cycle of life. These animals didnât go extinct and might even be more populous.
Sustainability is more than whether a species going extinct or not. Intensive farming/fishing has a lot of negative impacts on the planet. But since you are not the type who trust science I would not waste my time.
The vegan movement wants to ban meat. They will come up with as many lies as possible to stop the meat industry. But most land is non arable⌠not fit for crops but good enough for grazing.
Besides crops require lots of water, pesticides and other non environmentally friendly practices. Like the killing of all kinds of varmints. Vegans donât get the luxury of being called the only true environmentalists
Yes. While I do buy stuff at Trader Joeâs, I try to source a majority of our meat and produce from local farms. There are a number of resources around here:
- Marin Sun Farms (https://www.marinsunfarms.com) - available from their butcher or through Country Sun in Palo Alto
- Family Friendly Farms (https://www.familyfriendlyfarms.com) â delivery to your door
- Green Star Farms (https://www.greenstarfarm.com)
- Markegard Family farms (https://www.markegardfamily.com)
- Real Food Bay Area (http://www.realfoodbayarea.com)
- Frog Hollow Farms (https://www.froghollow.com) â Best stone fruit ever!!!
- Pasture Chick eggs (pastured, no corn/soy feed).
And thereâs a plethora of other veggie and fruit CSAs from small farms where youâre more likely to have small crop rotation and regenerative practices.