Why Trump still may win

I don’t think Obama ignored any of those. He just couldn’t get anything pass the GOP obstruction. To me the GOP has gone rogue.

Hillary is shifting more firepower to help the Dems in Senate. Recent polls show Senate has a high chance of turning blue. House though is still in GOP’s hands. Even though Dems would win the popular vote by 6 or 7% this year it won’t be enough to get over the gerrymandered hurdle.

Nationally, white voter share is going down by half a point every year. GOP is playing a very dangerous game here. It’s turning increasingly racist, and now on top of it, mysogynist. America will become minority majority around 2040. If GOP doesn’t mend its way it will disappear.

Obamacare was not nearly as critical as the economic crisis…Obama was a very poor leader and could only get one thing passed. He should have focused 100% of his energy on the economic crisis (still going on for many)…He wasted his time on a health plan that even he is disappointed with…Granted Hillary is a better canidate. …but the people voted in 2010 a Republican majority…rejecting Obama and his liberal agenda…Hillary will have a tough row to hoe…

Most of those people were already eligible for medicaid. They just didn’t know it or how to sign up. So was it worth spending $2B on a website? Both parties wanted the pre-existing condition part. You didn’t need the other 2,000 pages of as Pelosi said, “we have to pass it, so we can see what’s in it.” Who does that? 2,000 pages and they still wouldn’t allow insurers to compete across state lines?

Expecting the government to fix out problems is ridiculous. What have they ever fixed over the long-term? They create a short-term fix that creates much bigger long-term problems due to unintended consequences.

The democrats have had the house and senate most of the time since 1932. Then it’s been split some and republican some. What has it gotten us? Before then, we only ran budget deficits during war. Now we almost always run deficits. Government spending was <5% of GDP before then. We were already the world’s biggest economy before then. We grew much faster with small government and tax burdens.

It’s like all the inefficiency, waste, and negative outcomes are ok, since the end goal is noble.

Can you give me your source for this figure? I find it hard to believe.

Government is a tool in our tool belt. It’s not intrinsically bad or good. Depends on the job at hand.

Will we have interstate highway without government? Doubtful. Without FDA do we as consumers just see how many people die from eating Brand X food and then decide whether to buy it or not?

That’s why I say Libertarianism is exactly the same as Communism, just the two sides of the same coin. They are both dogmatic. One says we should have no government, the other 100%. The real world is far more complex, and we need to look at each situation with a critical eye. Sometimes it makes sense to do it in the public domain, sometimes in private, and most of the times a mixture of the two.

The policy of “cutting taxes and then do nothing” is being tested right now, in Kansas, with disastrous results. Things have gone so bad the governor just stopped reporting quarterly data. The Soviets would have been proud.

A quick refresher: In 2010, Brownback, a U.S. senator, ran for governor on an economic platform created by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative group that specializes in promoting draft legislation. He promised to slash taxes on business owners and lower personal income tax rates, unleashing an economic renaissance in Kansas.

In May 2012, he signed the bill into law. It initially lowered the top personal tax rate to 4.9 percent (it’s now 4.6 percent) from 6.45 percent, but most importantly, it eliminated income tax on profits for owners of limited liability companies, subchapter S corporations and sole proprietorships.

A summary of the Brownback record shows:

  • Kansas’ gross state product fell behind the six-state region and the nation for the third straight year. (Kansas’ gross state product grew at a faster rate when compared to the region and the nation in three of the five years before Brownback took office in 2011).
  • Private industry wages in Kansas grew at a slower pace last year than they did in the region and the U.S. – as they did during the past five years.
  • The number of private business establishments in Kansas trailed both the region and the nation for the last year, again continuing a five-year trend.
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The rail system was built without the government. It was built with private financing. That happened long before the government did the interstate system.

You mean the FDA that recommended low fat diets and didn’t care about sugar consumption? It directly coincides with the increase in American obesity. The whole thing was based on garbage “science” funded by the sugar lobby.

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Moar education: https://vote.coursera.org/

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Sorry, wrong

  1. economy: The US economy was worst when he took 2008. Today, it is the best in the world !

  2. energy : Oil dependency was there since 1975 oil embargo by OPEC. It rocked US Economy. Now, US has reduced oil imports and all OPECs are pushed back who made embargo on USA in 1975.

There are lot of immigration, infrastructure, trade issues resolved. If you are blind-sided on Obama, you will not know the details.

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Presidents take more blame and praise than they deserve…Obama was just not able to manage congress…everything else was due to the economic forces beyond his control…As far as energy he did everything thing he could to not help the oil industry. …

The case for Hillary as a Republican candidate:

http://heatst.com/politics/slay-queen-hillary-clinton/?mod=sm_tw_post

Across the nation, Republicans were stunned and horrified that Trump, a man with no Republican values or policy proposals, had taken the reins of their party. Many were left wondering if the moment marked the death of the GOP.

Fortunately for them, there is still hope to take back the White House and put an end to eight years of Obama’s progressive agenda. There still remains a candidate with deep Republican roots — a champion of their pro-business views and hawkish foreign policy — Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Can’t really tell if the author is trolling or not… :slight_smile:

Hillary is definitely more conservative than Obama and will be a more effective leader…But after having two horrible ineffective leaderless presidents for the last 16 years maybe the ship of state runs ok on auto pilot

The US was the largest economy when Obama took office. We still are. China has been growing 4-5x faster than us since 2008. We’ve been in the slowest recovery. Thanks to higher taxes and more regulations. Not even near zero rates are helping. In the past, we cut taxes and the economy boomed.

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The true figures.

The Current 2016 enrollment numbers: The current enrollment numbers (as of February 2016) are roughly: 12.7 million in the marketplace, and very roughly 20 million total between the ACA between the Marketplace, Medicaid expansion, young adults staying on their parents plan, and other coverage provisions.

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That proves what I posted it. There were 12.7M new plans selection. 11.7M selected Medicaid. Their data reporting is a mess, and you have to really dig through to understand it. It’s not transparent at all, and I don’t think that’s an accident.

Meanwhile the average premium increase for next year is 25% with deductibles and out-of-pocket increasing. Tax payers are on the hook for the 25% increase, since the bill says the out-of-pocket premium for those receiving subsidies can’t increase. Good luck sustaining a program with 25% annual increases.

You are misreading it. 12.7 million were new sign ups for the affordable care act. 7.3 million more were from medicaid expansion, young adults being able to stay on their parents plan, and other provisions. So medicaid expansion has to be less then 7.3 million out of 20 million.

They are mixing up signup ups and people covered. 12.7 is total sign ups. Each signup can cover multiple people. Of the sign ups, 11.7M are Medicaid. They are pusposely making it as confusing as possible. If anyone presented that information for a work meeting, they’d be told to go back and redo it.

I guess some people refuse to accept the truth when it is explained to them. I will quit discussing it with you.

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America is no longer a majority, white Christian country. This pretty much sums up the entire 2016 election. Trump has no consistent policy proposals. So his rise has nothing to do with his “policies”, whatever they may be at this hour. It’s all about many (not all) in a declining group trying to cling on to power to the exclusion of other groups.

This video explains it very well.