Have you guys discussed any of the other propositions on the ballot? We have a Prop 8 about restricting Kidney dialysis clinic profits, and I feel like I should vote no, simply because this should be a legislative thing.
Any other ballot measures you peeps want to share your opinions on to enlighten mine? Anything other than Prop 10 since that has been covered in depth already.
Or if you have another thread going, can you point me to it?
PS: I do see the discussion on Prop 6 here:
So, anything other than Props 6 and 10.
I voted no on every prop but voted yes on 7.
Yes: Prop 5-8
No on the rest.
Yes on 6
Yes on 5 if you feel like it
Everything else is No
Voted yes on prop 2, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Vote yes on 3 5 6 7
Ok. Curious about Prop 8–which for us is a Kidney dialysis profit reduction ballot measure. My inclination is to vote No because this issue should be handled by the legislature, not as a ballot measure. Can you explain why you voted yes?
I’m also curious as to the reasons for voting yes. I voted no on this measure on principle - I understand it is a profit reduction measure, but disagree with singling out one small slice of healthcare — the proposition seems very narrowly focused. I feel a broad cost-containment plan should be more comprehensively focused — and that probably requires the legislature.
Vote no on special interest crap. They should have to pay a fine for wasting everyone’s time. $1 per taxpayer
On 8, I am biased since Mom is on dialysis so NO was the way to go. But my understanding is that it is similar to our fav whipping boy, rent control. Is it fair to cap or limit the profits of any industry? No!!!
No On Prop 8. Too much government intervention will hurt patients. If something needs to be done, Prop 8 is a bad solution
Hrm. I have to reexamine my beliefs here. I’m not so keen on rent control, but I feel that health care shouldn’t be gouging people.
That said, I still don’t understand why this shouldn’t be handled by the legislature.
Agree. Healthcare detail issues such as this is not a good issue for voters to decide. Most people are not informed, voting on Prop 8 is like asking a janitor to perform a surgery
Prop 8 is communist?
We need to define words like communism and capitalism
My favorite in Ziwi capitalism
SOCIALISM ; You have 2 cows. You give one to your neighbor.
COMMUNISM ; You have 2 cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk.
FASCISM ; You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.
NAZISM : You have 2 cows. The government takes both and shoots you.
BUREAUCRATISM ; You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other and then throws the milk away.
TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.
DEMOCRACY : You have 2 cows. Your neighbor has none. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay for the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.
AMERICAN CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.
FRENCH CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. You go on strike, organize a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.
A GERMAN CAPITALISM ; You have 2 cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month and milk themselves.
A JAPANESE CAPITALISM ; You have 2 cows. You redesign them so they are 1/10 the size of an ordinary cow, and produce the milk of 20 cows. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called cowkimon and market them worldwide.
ITALIAN CAPITALISM ; You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are. You decide to have lunch.
SWISS CAPITALISM ; You have 5,000 cows. None of them belong to you. You charge the owners for storing them.
CHINESE CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim that you have full employment and high bovine productivity. You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.
RUSSIAN CAPITALISM ; You have 2 cows. You count them and learn that you have 5 cows. You count them again and learn that you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn that you have 2 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of Vodka.
INDIAN CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. You worship them.
BRITISH CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. Both are mad.
IRAQI CAPITALISM ; Everyone thinks you have lots of cows. You tell them that you have none. Nobody believes you, so they bomb the crap out of you and invade your country. You still have no cows but at least you are now a Democracy.
AUSTRALIAN CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. Business seems pretty good. You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.
NEW ZEALAND CAPITALISM ; You have two cows. The one on the left looks very attractive.
GREEK CAPITALISM ; You have two cows borrowed from French and German banks. You eat both of them. The banks call to collect their milk, but you cannot deliver so you call the IMF. The IMF loans you two cows. You eat both of them. The banks and the IMF call to collect their cows/milk. You are out getting a haircut.
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Why I am voting yes.
TALIBAN CAPITALISM
You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
You don’t milk them because you cannot touch any creature’s private parts.
You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find alternatives to milk production but use the money to buy weapons.
BELGIAN CAPITALISM
You have one cow.
The cow is schizophrenic.
Sometimes the cow thinks he’s French, other times he’s Flemish.
The Flemish cow won’t share with the French cow.
The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow’s milk.
The cow asks permission to be cut in half.
The cow dies happy
FLORIDA CAPITALISM
You have a black cow and a brown cow.
Everyone votes for the best looking one.
Some of the people who actually like the brown one accidentally vote for the black one.
Some people vote for both.
Some people vote for neither.
Some people can’t figure out how to vote at all.
Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think is the best-looking cow.
NEW JERSEY CAPITALISM
You have six cows. Only 2 ever show up to be milked. Two just stand around, grazing, and the remaining two never make an appearance. You sell the milk in pint containers labelled “One Gallon”, send the proceeds to your Cayman Island account, then tell the government you can’t pay taxes because you haven’t made a profit. So your cousin on the school board gets a state grant to give you a contract to supply milk to their cafeterias. When a cafeteria worker tells a reporter the kids are complaining about their milk being served by eyedropper she disappears.
