California has the worst quality of life

Did he have any management responsibility before he moved to SG to dodge taxes?

Out of the unicorns that IPO’ed last year, how many founders 1) didn’t found their companies in SV, and 2) didn’t stay in SV afterwards?

Again, how many American companies in your stock portfolio aren’t Californian companies?

Why argue the obvious?

Because you didn’t get the obvious :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Only the W2 slaves need to stay in SV. You’re no longer a slave, why are you still there? Why are you funding the homeless and the illegal immigrants? I can understand why bloggers like @pandeyathotmail and @harriet are staying in SV, but you?

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So now we’re back to your only metric that matters. You you don’t need to live in CA to invest in companies with a HQ there. You don’t need to live there to invest in RE either. You’re arguing it’s easier to be a unicorn founder, work for a unicorn, or work for a FAANG company in the bay era. Yet, how few people here have actually done any of them? They are staying in the Bay Area for opportunities that they’ve never done. It’s possible to do all 3 in other locations.

Everything is possible. But is it probable?

How many people living outside of Bay Area do you know who invested in Bay Area RE? How many work for unicorns while living outside of SV?

It’s true big tech companies have campuses in places like Seattle but how different is Seattle from Bay Area really? Job mobility can be an issue also.

Bay Area is like MIT. It only does very few things and it can be a monoculture unlike NYC. But what it does it’s the world’s best. It’s not for everyone.

Sorry. Not many investors see SFBA real estate a particularly good investment. We have discussed this several times before. WE have discussed factors , expectations, and the ROR.

It’s not even probable in the Bay Area. Even with all the talk about tech, tech workers are only 20% of all workers. Tech workers at FAANG and unicorns are an even tinier subset of that. Once someone is established as that caliber, then there’s even less reason to stay.

That definitely speaks to quality of life.
People who become successful in SV become happy when they leave :slight_smile:

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@manch line of thinking is if you do not like Bay Area, just leave. Or make bay area a sea of 600 sq feet apartments in buildings rising as high as 30 floors, just like they have in Hongkong or Singapore. Given a chance, half of the population of these cities will relocate to USA. I remember many socialist countries came up with the idea of poor-peoples product, or home in our case, that no one actually wanted to buy. That is how these 600 sq feet apartment in 30 floor building end up being. Ghost towns. Premium products in socialist countries is anathema and is only meant for members of polit- bureau. You can see some of them (the PB members) buying homes in University towns where their children come to study and to never return.

Huh? I have worked at 4 different companies in the bay area and all of the postings put up while I was at those companies were real…what is the basis for your assumption? In the industry I’m in (biotech/pharma) it is hard to find candidates / the market is super competitive. I have recruiters reaching out to me daily to fill positions.

Well I suggest leaving for your own good. If you like to stay, be upset and complain, that’s fine with me too.

Bay Area has a lot more to offer than just career opportunities. I like the cultural diversity, the mild weather, the decent Chinese food, the educated populace, etc etc. Even though I don’t work a 9-5 job, I still choose to stay.

I tell that from my personal experience and the experience of people very close to me. You are welcome to not believe what I said. But, that does not change that fact that I gave a very real description of situation.

Okay then let’s hear it so we can all learn something. Otherwise all talk and no action just sound like a disgruntled employee complaining about his/her job but never leaves. Yes real miserable.

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Ditto. I just got a call yesterday from a recruiter and an email from another today. Sounds like @pandeyathotmail is not in a highly sought after industry/role locally.

For the purpose of full disclosure let me state the following about me:

  1. I am a disgruntled employee with a poor work history.
  2. I am least sought after. I never get called for an interview. I am not even phone screened.
  3. Even if I get called and be lucky enough to get hired, I am fired before then end of third month without benefit and severance. Not to mention I am forced to leave without any scope of positive reference from my managers and coworkers. I cannot keep my job.
  4. I am a pessimist who has lost all hope in life.
  5. I am loser who just cannot make a winning move.

Please feel free to add anything if I have missed.

Added later: A few more I found:

  1. I have poor self image.
  2. I lack peer acceptability.
  3. Not have much in terms of achievement to be proud of.

I will keep adding to this list as I can find more about myself.
But, please do not stop telling me as you learn more about me.

How do you get fired within 3 months? I’ve literally only seen that once. The guy literally did nothing. It was like his resume was of someone else (he had a fairly common name), and he was like able enough in the interviews. You probably should leave the Bay Area for somewhere else. Why are you in the Bay Area?

Most California hiring are at-will basis. An employee can be fired the second day itself. Companies generally do not want to do that unless there is an extreme case. Companies like to keep positive image among the candidate base, and also to avoid lawsuits, they will go through some process. The offers can be revoked also. I read many college hiring were revoked particularly during last recession.

I think he’s being sarcastic.

In our late thirties, many of our friends had to confront the reality that they weren’t on a financial path to be able to spend the rest of their lives in the Bay Area and moved away. It was a tough call and many of them regret their decision but objectively it was the right thing to do.

I think sarcastic is a strong word. I did not mean to be sarcastic because I respect all views.
Rhetorical is a better word.

The first book I read on Emotional Quotient was by Robert K. Cooper, Ayman Sawaf. The book starts with an incident in which Charlie Chaplin came third in a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest held in London. I do not know whether it is a true story. But, I remembered this from the book because I do believe that self-awareness is key ingredient to happiness.

Therefore, all feedback are welcome.

NB: Book by Robert K. Cooper, Ayman Sawaf was my first online purchase ever from any online retailer. I bought it from Amazon that used to be just a bookseller. From those days, I remember another seller half.com. I sold several books that I had read back to reader community through it.

Bay Area is an expensive place, especially if people think they are entitled to a 3,000 ft house on a half acre lot. Luckily this country is huge. There is a place for every life style.

For some people it makes great sense to leave California. I wish we could build more housing but reality is what it is.

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