China Is Like The Landlord and Hong Kong Is Like The Tenant

Hmm, the British would have banned Hong King from being too close to China before 1997. Also there’s no way to compete against Shenzhen or Shanghai. Hong Kong’s only choice is to integrate with China and try to grab market share.

Hong Kong had a talent shortage anyway. Taiwan reaped more benefit from China due to its deep talent pool

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Luckily Xi is as dumb as he is evil. He widely broadcast his evil ways to the whole world and everybody is alarmed now. No matter who wins the election next year, there is a broad consensus to get tough on China.

However, it’s hard to see how it can benefit Hong Kong. Actually China’s woes will be Hong Kong’s nightmare since finance industry will suffer much more

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Hong Kong’s role will be reduced to one of 3 major economic hubs within Guangdong. The other 2 being Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Already, Shenzhen’s overall GDP is overtaking Hong Kong’s. Guangzhou will soon follow. By then Hong Kong will be reduced to a shell of its former might. Remnant of a once-great city-state that is no longer relevant on the global stage. People will care much less as to whether there is democracy in Hong Kong or not.

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There is a certain point past which appeasement is no longer tenable. Since Xi came to power China has become increasingly authoritarian and thuggish. There are two ideologies in the world right now. One is liberal democratic championed by the west. The other is the statist authoritarian led by China. I think we are fast approaching a Thucydides clash.

Xi has deep despise for the west. His rallying cry is that China has risen and not beholden to the west anymore. That explains his militarization of the South China Sea and the Belt and road empire building. But he is wrong. China is not ready for prime time yet and his overreach will cost the Chinese people dearly. That’s why I say Xi is evil. He is sacrificing innocent Chinese people for his grand empire revival with him as the emperor.

Under LKY, Singapore is a huge success. Don’t be brainwashed by liberal American press.

Wah Lau, eh! Go to play some Go. Is buffering and lifeline. Is a strategy to reduce dependency on US :dollar: and US consumer market. Is why Trump is so agitated. Don’t believe the superficial reason.

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The protest is more of a reflection of Hong Kong’s anxiety over its economy. There might be a deep anxiety and frustration over its economic future. Hong Kong is dependent on China but China may not need Hong Kong when it become fully integrated into the global system. The best option for Hong Kong is to integrate with Shenzhen and become part of rising power instead of a bitter and frustrated stagnation.

Without the deep rooted anxiety and frustration, this kind of overreaction would not happen. I think this is a classic overreaction over an internationally standard process.

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A country with no rule of law can change their standards at any time. Ask about the people who magically disappeared under Xi.

I thought SG is a democracy? At least that’s what SG people told me?

I think it is better to let Xi to use extradition law to legally hunt down the people who broke Chinese laws. It’s worse if there’s no extradition law and he has to secretly arrest people. Extradition law will make it more transparent and will help China and Hong Kong to reach a better consensus.

People are the same humans in all countries. Laws are different that’s why social norm is different. Hong Kong’s usefulness will be maximized if it tries to integrate with China and lead China to the rule of law. In this process, Hong Kong can extract the best economic value out of China and benefit the mankind tremendously. You have to be wiling to accept imperfections and sometimes give some in order to get the best value. Ideological purity means depression for Hong Kong. The key people for the protest will lead Hong Kong to self destruction. But most likely this protest will be forgotten after a few months

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What’s next? Hacking Facebook?

Seems like you still don’t have a clue on why this is such a big issue. Define Chinese laws (which can change at any time). China is the one destroying Hong Kong. You wouldn’t have this mass exodus of people moving out of Hong Kong via immigration if 1997 never happened. People wouldn’t move their assets out of mainland to the US and elsewhere. Everything happened for a good reason. Perhaps this will make it easier for you to understand (I am making this example up):

Say you and your government official neighbor got into an argument where you threatened to kill him/her (but in fact you didn’t act on it). You went to Hong Kong for vacation. Your neighbor suddenly got murdered and the spouse accuses you for the homicide. China officials come to Hong Kong to arrest you based on the “current facts and circumstances” (which you don’t know about because the law changed against you). If you want to live in fear even though you are innocent, then go ahead, but the public doesn’t agree with you.

What’s wrong? Got motivation so is a suspect. In USA, I would get arrested if a woman accused me of rape even though I don’t know her.

This corner case might affect 1 out of a million people. But disintegration will affect 7 million people and many young people’s life will be forever changed.

I think the real problem is that the young people in Hong Kong are having the worst prospect than their parents, also Shenzhen’s rise has hurt their pride and comparative welfare. They may behave like Japanese generation who stay home all day and depend on their parents until their parents die. The political trivia issue is only an excuse to release their frustration and makes them feel useful.

This extradition law change may only affect the high ranking officials from China and other Chinese citizens who have criminal or political problems. Its impact on Hong Kong citizens might be negligible.

However, I think this protest is good to release the public energy and is very healthy. We should applaud the free expression of the public and hope it doesn’t affect the regular business order.

Some people live in the past. 22 years ago is a very long!

What’s the exact impact of this law? If this law becomes effective, will the girlfriend murderer Chan be sent to Taiwan to face trial? Can Hong Kong agree to send him to Taiwan without this change of law?

Also does the extradition law apply to all countries or only China?

The extradition bill

The proposal for the extradition bill has been steeped in controversy. It started when Chan Tong-kai, 20, a citizen of Hong Kong, admitted to killing his girlfriend in Taiwan last year. Chan, who has since returned to Hong Kong, has only been charged in Hong Kong for money laundering (he allegedly used his murdered girlfriend’s stolen credit card). The Taiwanese government has urged Hong Kong to send Chan back for trial, but the [Hong Kong government refused](Man who killed girlfriend in Taiwan could be free by October, setting effective deadline for Hong Kong government’s extradition plan | South China Morning Post), according to the South China Morning Post.

“The extradition bill does a key thing – it undermines the validity and legitimacy of the Hong Kong legal system,” Winnie King, a specialist in Chinese international political economy and international relations at the University of Bristol, told ABC News. “One of the key central pillars of Hong Kong’s identity and history, it is at the foundation of the island’s strengths (be it for international business and contract law, but also for the protection of its own citizens), the extradition bill illustrates how China’s influence is no longer ‘creeping’ in nature

If the past is better than the present, you should be learning from it, not getting rid of it.

One million HK people, about one in seven, marched against the law change. All of them are just young people bitter about Shenzhen? :rofl:

Everyday there are 150 mainland people immigrating to Hong Kong. Every single day. How many people move from HK to mainland?

Seems people are being very loose with facts.

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Honestly I don’t know anybody in Hong Kong who feels threatened by Shenzhen. They only go there for overhyped boba.

What’s the exact fear of this law? Please enlighten