Chloroquine and COVID-19

[pandeyathotmail]

Michigan is also doing similar

Michigan regulators warn against prescribing anti-malaria drugs for virus

[hanera]

@pandeyathotmail

In my personal opinion, this thread should not be even on this forum.

@pandeyathotmail

An argument can be made that corona virus can affect investments because the shutdown will slow the economy due to lost income to people and business.

Good, you answer your own question. It directly affect RE. Now can’t do Open House and private showing. So can’t sell your house or rent out your house. One of my Austin rental will be on the market from end Mar, now can’t do showing because of shelter-in-place.

A few mins later: Americans love politics. Is not reasonable to expect them not to inject some political views into any topics/ threads. Just don’t get too worked up if people don’t agree with you.

[BA_lurker]

@pandeyathotmail

@BA_lurker

@pandeyathotmail

@BA_lurker

Trump has blood on his hands now

GM’s Ventilator Effort Goes Haywire With Trump Turning on CEO Barra

The article is behind a paywall. But, the real question the number of ventilators needed. Does USA need 80,0000 new ventilators for a pricetag of 1 B or something like that all of the sudden? How many do we need realistically considering that hospitals usually have only few of them at any given time.

The few that hospitals have are enough for normal cases like surgery, etc. most ICU covid patients need ventilator support. There’s not enough to support them and caseload patients. People are going to die

It is funny that some democratic governors are banning chloroquine, cheap medicine, and demanding an unusually large number of ventilators. I do not know the real situations, but I am summarizing the dispute between politicians for those who are not following it in details.

You need to stop listening to the trump informercial briefings. The studies on Chloroquine is mixed. A number of studies show they have no effect. The current treatment that everyone uses for covid is treating symptoms. You need ventilators to help people breathe. Don’t grasp at straws and be misled like trump

[DoctorOcho]

@Elt1

Gov. Steve Sisolak has signed an order to safeguard the supplies of two drugs currently being studied as a possible treatment for the coronavirus.

Are they restricting these drugs to prevent a run on them in case they are useful? Or are they restricting them to prevent consumer harm? Seems like the former.

[BA_lurker]

So i read the article. the order passed by the Governor is based on the recommendation of the pharmacy group of Nevada and only prevents OTC use in a non-prescribed setting and allows for use in the hospital. So no banning like @pandeyathotmail suggests.

[pandeyathotmail]

The point is that all this is a political stunt by Nevada governor because the drug in question is not an OTC drug as far as far as I know. Or it was available OTC before this banning order?

[BA_lurker]

This drug is essential to treat people who need it for specific diseases. If you don’t limit it, it will go the way of toilet paper as anyone that is misled and thinks it’s a holy grail cure will hoard it like toilet paper. The governer’s action is very correct. Limit it to people who need it (with a prescription), allow hospitals to use it as they see fit. This prevents hoarding and ensures those who need it can get it.

[pandeyathotmail]

@BA_lurker

This drug is essential to treat people who need it for specific diseases. If you don’t limit it, it will go the way of toilet paper as anyone that is misled and thinks it’s a holy grail cure will hoard it like toilet paper. The governer’s action is very correct. Limit it to people who need it (with a prescription), allow hospitals to use it as they see fit. This prevents hoarding and ensures those who need it can get it.

It is still a political stunt because it was never available without prescription in the first place. So hoarding was never possible. What is the point you are trying to make?

[hanera]

@pandeyathotmail

it was never available without prescription in the first place.

https://healthclinics.superdrug.com/services/chloroquine/

Chloroquine and proguanil is available as an over the counter medicine from your pharmacy, so you don’t need to see a doctor for a prescription in order to be able to buy it.

I think this issue should be closed

[pandeyathotmail]

@hanera

@pandeyathotmail

it was never available without prescription in the first place.

https://healthclinics.superdrug.com/services/chloroquine/

Chloroquine and proguanil is available as an over the counter medicine from your pharmacy, so you don’t need to see a doctor for a prescription in order to be able to buy it.

I think this issue should be closed

This is strange. So, something was good to be available as OTC until yesterday, and all of the sudden a governor decides it is not. Interesting, is it not?

[hanera]

@pandeyathotmail

So, something was good to be available as OTC until yesterday, and all of the sudden a governor decides it is not.

Not OTC, you feel is political.
OTC, you also feel is political.

Anyhoo, Not a good move to prevent hoarding? A potentially useful drug?

@BA_lurker

This drug is essential to treat people who need it for specific diseases. If you don’t limit it, it will go the way of toilet paper as anyone that is misled and thinks it’s a holy grail cure will hoard it like toilet paper.

[pandeyathotmail]

I am willing to believe the chloroquine ban in Nevada is a genuine attempt to stop hoarding of the medicine.

[BA_lurker]

And here’s the shortage. That’s why you don’t hype unproven drugs. Now people who’s lives depend on them can’t get it.

There’s scant evidence for chloroquine so far as a COVID-19 drug. But there’s...

[pandeyathotmail]

I am getting an impression that “unproven medicine” is saving people and doctors are prescribing it.
Are people dying by taking this medicine. Should have FDA not approved it? What worries you?

[BA_lurker]

Did you read? the medicine is essential for treatment of people with conditions that need it. the hype made people that dont need it hoard the medication impacting the lives of people that currently have those prescriptions and are unable to get it.

[pandeyathotmail]

It is a choice the doctors and the patients have to make. Should the medicine be given first to corona virus patients how might be fighting for life, or those for other treatments that can wait.

Why do governors have to interfere into private decision between patients and the doctors. It is so unamerican and it is beyond me.

[BA_lurker]

I am not sure if you are purposely mis understanding. The only example of a governor “banning” something that you showed was wrong. It was a purposeful mistatement of what was done. In that case, the governor was following the advice of the state (Nevada) medical bodies to limit the use to those with prescriptions and hospitals. Not any random person hoarding it because Trump said it was a cure. Of course right wing news and Fox news takes what is something a governor followed with advice from medical professionals to ensure those who need it (for corona virus or anything else), to be a “ban”. Anyway my last post on this, because it sounds like you really dont want to listen/learn and just want to repeat right wing talking points

[marcus335]

Wait. I thought the medicine was toxic. It’s supposedly so dangerous we shouldn’t use it for coronavirus. Those things it is used to treat must be pretty bad if a toxic treatment is the best option.

[Elt1]

It is pretty toxic. It is recommended as a prophylactic for malaria. But many don’t tolerate it well.

[marcus335]

Chemo is also toxic with horrible side effects. We still use it to treat cancer, since it’s the best option.