Economic case for open borders

Shot in Singapore.

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There goes the neighborhood…

What’s the catch?

Can everyone go to Singapore, work there and get government benefits? Is this fake news?

Watch the video mate. I am hungry for some hawker food. :yum:

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Open border is a misused term here. Purposely?

Open border in USA means that no immigration control and Mexicans can come to US to work, live and get social benefit without permit.

And open border in Hong Kong means ease of travel visas

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But where can folks live there? It is supposed to be uber expensive…

It’s very hard to immigrate to Singapore, fake news

Who says SG has open orders? I only said the reporting was done in SG. Did you even watch the video?

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The large influx of migrants from the 1980s onwards has raised concerns about the government’s policy on immigration. Whilst the inflow of immigrants and foreign workers have helped to alleviate a labour crunch and help the economy, it has also resulted in strong sentiment by the locals against both foreigners and the government, and was a major issue in both the 2011 general and presidential elections.[32] Singaporeans have attributed to the government’s open-door immigration policy the country’s overcrowding and falling reliability of its public transportation system, increasing property prices for housing, suppressed wage level, increased competition for jobs and education, increasing income inequality and other social problems.[33][34][35][36][37] These issues came under close scrutiny by foreign media in the aftermath of the 2013 Little India riot.[38] Local NGOs have also raised issues of migrant welfare, especially those relating to work injury and living conditions.[39][40] Social pressures have been acknowledged by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong with various measures put in place in the last few years, such as the Fair Employment (Consideration) Framework and Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices and increasing support for migrant workers.[39][41]

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and various government agencies have spoken out against a rising anti-foreigner sentiment after Singaporeans expressed outrage at disparaging statements made by foreigners residing in Singapore.[42] For example, in March 2012, Sun Xu, a scholar from China studying in the National University of Singapore, made a remark in his blog that “there are more dogs than humans in Singapore”.[42][43] This was weeks after a revelation in parliament that SGD36 million worth of scholarships were awarded to 2,000 foreign students every year, something that is unheard of in other countries.[36] The government was accused of disadvantaging local students in places for education and affordability,[36] and in response it has made a policy change in primary education to give some priority to Singaporeans.[44]

Further incidents have also fanned local sentiments against expatriates and foreign workers in Singapore, for example, the publicity over negative comments about the locals by banker Anton Casey and Filipino nurse Ed Mundsel Bello Ello.[45][46][47][48] Whilst anti-foreigner sentiments are still prevalent online, fifteen foreigners who were interviewed by ChannelNewsAsia did not feel such anti-foreigner sentiments reflected what they encountered in the real world.[49] Local Singaporeans have also written in to the press to encourage fellow Singaporeans to have a mindset of being more accepting towards other cultures, reminding them that Singapore is also from immigrant stock.[50][51] Media reporting that foreign workers help out in distress situations have also helped improve locals’ perception of foreign workers.[39]

There are also concerns that immigrants were using Singapore as a springboard for immigration to other developed countries.[52] Every year, 300 naturalised citizens renounce their Singapore citizenship.[52] Many foreigners remain hesitant to take up Permanent Residency (PR) or Singapore citizenship because of the two years of mandatory military service for male citizens and second-generation PRs.

I don’t watch videos now, maybe later. But the text you shared does say that Singapore has an open border and it’s unique in the world.

At least dragonboy and myself got that impression from this sensational reporting

“Around the world, politicians are clamoring to shut down their borders and tighten control of immigration. But the tiny island of Singapore—a rich, thriving, financial hub—has opened its doors to migrants”

Singapore’s immigration policy is geared towards attracting educated workers. To extrapolate that to open border isn’t a valid comparison.

Not true. most of the foreign workers are actually unskilled or lowly skilled. They have 2 classes of foreign workers. The unskilled and lowly skilled that are cheap labor that fills everything from domestic services, healthcare, construction which no one really complains about as it keeps costs low and the ones for the high skilled. the population mainly complains about the high skill / white collar types. The key difference is it’s very hard for the unskilled to stay once their work visa ends unlike the white collar types

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US immigration policy is geared to low skill and low education level, just the opposite

Foreign talents vs foreign workers :crazy_face:
Which group do you belong to :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Where do low skill workers live? Can they live in government low rent housing or buy government low price condos?

Dorm type housing or sharing rental housing

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@BA_lurker gave all the correct answers. The video brought up those points too.

SG looks like a great place to live. Food must be fantastic as it has the Chinese/Malaysian/Indian crazy fusion going on.

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Can foreigners travel there without a visa and then look for work there? I’m curious why poor people from poor countries are not flocking there? Why don’t Indian and Chinese low income people go to Singapore and share the boom and social benefit with their family?

Is it required to have something like H1B or J1 to enter Singapore? Or no such work visa required?

Well, turns out USA border is much more open than Singapore. US simply deports illegal immigrants. Singapore jail illegal immigrants and strokes them at least 3 times

The punishment for illegal immigration in the country are a mandatory caning sentence of not less than 3 strokes and a prison sentence.

It also helps to be a small island surrounded by water with only a handful of ways to enter the country…

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