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I am not at all interested in the moral arguments for or against deportations anymore. We have talked about it many times here and nobody’s mind has changed. So what a waste of time… :slight_smile:

I am much more interested in the economic effects of massive deportation. I now believe it will be a very big negative, at least in the short term, may be even big enough to tilt the economy to recession. But we have a lot of good things going for us, so that will be a tug of war.

In real estate specifically, we may see the property value of immigration heavy area go down. Pockets of east bay, east and south San Jose maybe?

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People against illegal immigration give legal arguments :slight_smile:

Maybe or maybe not.
Slow and steady might be OK. & not give a shock to the economy i.e. deport Criminal illegals, & control new illegal immigrants i.e. control the border.

There are many ways to enforce immigration law: lock them up, make them pay fine, death penalty (like how East Germany treated illegal emigration) etc. So insisting on deportation, to me, is a choice made on moral arguments.

We don’t cancel people’s driving licenses and ban them from driving for life if we catch them speeding. Maybe we should?

This is a meta-discussion on moral arguments…

Sometimes…

How many thousands of incidents like people running away from a car accident that killed people and so on are blamed on “illegals”?

It is not just deporting people. You need to take in consideration other measures countries like Mexico could take against the US.

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GDP is irrelevant and no measure of success or failure. Only GDP per person matters. Of course GDP goes down if you deport some of the people. That doesn’t mean living standards go down.
The Chinese economy is now worth slightly more than the US economy. Does that mean the average Chinese citizen is richer than the average US citizen?

Note that AZ has a lower unemployment rate than CA
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

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Yepp GDP went down by 2% while population was down @3.3%. So, it looks like(from rough estimates) that it was a gain for the state on per capita basis.

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Up to year 2000, participation rate of both sexes decline after that.

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Those areas always go down big time during recession. Avoid.

That’s where everybody will go to find cheap homes or rent. It is about economics. Renters may be hurting too. So, why not hunting for a good deal?

Buy during recession not now. I didn’t mention that it also go up more in % term when market turns :)?

Worker productivity.

Labor force participation rate.

Labor participation should be split into two groups:

16-25
25-65

I’ll try to post later. The database is down now :frowning:

They do 25-54 and it’s declining.

25-54, over 80%
average is 62.5%

So 16-25 is much lower than 62.5%? Below 50%?

Most of 16-25 still go to schools.

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From that WSJ article I cited earlier:

It concluded that the departures alone had reduced Arizona’s gross domestic product by an average of 2% a year between 2008 and 2015.

If their analysis is correct, 2% per year for 8 years = 17% decline in GDP.

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