Some farmers turn on Trump amid coronavirus pandemic and China tensions
Farmers are also debating the impact of election on their farming business.
Farmers donât determine elections
Meanwhile another leftist hero is not so pure.
Leftist pundits and leaders come from lies and half truths.
Read Bonfire of the Vanities.
Or perhaps about Tawana Browley
That kid was defending himself from violent thugs - and fortunately has a good lawyer now.
If you are not allowed to use lethal force against looters none of us is safe. Looters can come into your homes and take everything and there is nothing you can do about it. Even during the Rodney King riots nobody messed with store owners with guns sitting on their roofs. We have witnessed black race riots since the sixties. Same program with no positive results. Time for the left to try something new.
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If the guy was innocent with good intentions, then why did he ignore police commands? We did he have a knife? Have you ever blatantly ignored police commands while holding a weapon? I would honestly expect to be shot.
What should they have done after the taser failed? Should the cop risk his own life to wrestle the knife away from the guy? Should they just let the guy leave and risk a car chase where others including the kids could be hurt? Should they just let him leave and not care? Why do we as a society now think cops should risk their lives to prevent harming criminals?
The ability to use lethal force varies by state. Iâm honestly not sure about Wisconsin. Most states let you kill an intruder in your home or business. If you donât want to get shot, then donât break into places. Donât throw a Molotov cocktail at someone (which can kill or injure them) unless youâre willing to risk a response of deadly force. It seems pretty simple. I guess if the rioters had better aim and severely wounded or killed the kid, then thatâd be perfectly ok. Itâd be the kidâs fault for trying to stop the rioting and not getting out of the way.
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A lot of assumptions here in your arguments that may or may not be true:
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Was Jacob Blake holding a knife? This guy has a point that if he was and the police knew about it they should have come out and said so immediately i.e. have avoided this whole mess. More likely car keys, but we shall see. Yes they have said there was a knife on the floor of his car. Maybe he reached for it or maybe he told them about it after the fact. Could have been a swiss army knife for all we know.
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How do you know he threw a molotov cocktail? Yes, there is some blurry footageâŚdepending on who you talk to interpretations range from a âmolotov cocktailâ to a âplastic bag.â The âfactsâ at the moment are that a minor crossed state lines with an AR-15 without adult supervision, a number of confrontations ensued, three people were shot, and two of them died.
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We all know how this plays out. People riot and opinions are formed. Later the facts come out and no one cares. The media wonât even cover the facts unless they add fuel to the fire. Itâs why a majority of people still believe hands up donât shoot.
What should the police have done? Wrestle him to the ground? Let him leave and have a car chase? Just let him leave and not chase him? Iâve yet to hear anyone whoâs critical of the police shooting him offer an alternative path of action. Letâs hear what option they should have taken.
Would you throw anything at someone holding a gun? Would you go riot and loot businesses? Youâre literally concerned there arenât enough protections for criminals to be able to safely break the law.
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There were four well-armed police officers and one of him. There was absolutely no reason to use deadly force in that scenario. In the back 7 times?! Use a baton, knock him down, tase him again, so many optionsâŚcertainly donât let him stroll calmy around to the side of his car in the first place. Looked pretty incompetent. It was like they were just waiting for an excuse to esclate.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a tougher analysisâŚhe shouldnât have been there but at the same time tensions were high, there were crazies on both sides and people came at him. Personally I would hold his parents and/or the gun owner responsible.
Also, this CA-SFO-Bay Area forum will have ZERO effect on this election 
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I have a knife in my car. Everybody has something that can be portrayed as weapons in their cars.
Is he attacking anyone with âthe knifeâ?
What should the police do? Anything but shooting him at the back SEVEN times. I keep highlighting the word SEVEN but the far right donât seem to grasp the absurdity.
Police is a dangerous job. But thatâs why they are supposedly trained well and hopefully paid well. If you canât keep your cool in tough situations then by all means get the hell out. Rogue cops are worse than no cops.
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Taking him down or using a baton means getting close enough that the officers are putting themselves at higher risk. Once an officer is that close then it eliminates use of a gun if things go south. The other officers arenât likely to get a clean shot at the suspect without risking shooting the officer thatâs engaged in the struggle.
Thatâs cool. You donât care if police get injured or killed in the line of duty. You worry more about the safety if the criminal whoâs disobeying orders. The whole thing would have been avoided had the guy listened to orders. Iâm not sure when, why, and how it became acceptable for people to disobey orders from police and not expect consequences.
I think everyone that says takedown the suspect with a knife should have to go try it in a training simulation.
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Most reasonable people come down in the middle on this.
No, the man should not have resisted arrest. Hell no the cops should not have shot him SEVEN times. Yes, people have the rights to protest peacefully. No, people should not burn down shops.
People are human beings. Most are capable of nuances.
Positions like people have the rights to burn down shops, or police have the rights shoot the guy at the back SEVEN times are not nuances. Thatâs just far left in first instance and far right in the second.
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I agree that shoot to kill is excessive. But the reason police shoot to kill us they want to survive for the next time. Once you run and go for your knife or gun you are a legitimate target. The police canât always tell if you are going for a gun or cell phone.
But standard police procedure is to go for deadly force if you show you are a potential deadly threat.
I doubt many police will keep working without this safety protocol. Think about civilians that refuse to go to work because they might have the slightest chance of catching Covid.
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I for one donât want trigger happy chicken littles walking around with deadly weapons. If they canât handle tough situations with a cool head then I donât want them in the force.
4 on 1 dude. If you are afraid of a guy with his back turned you need to grow a pair.
The left is inciting direct assault against the right like Senator Paul. Any liberal who doesnât condemn this violence is complicit. We are talking looting, physical assault and murder against the police. Time to take sides. Law and order or anarchy.
Trump is a an asshole. But Maxine Waters is terrorist
Put Manch in charge and there will be no police .
If I am a cop I am going to make damn sure I am going home at night uninjured
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This is how fast shots are fired, arm chair intellectuals 
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I donât know why anyone would still want to be a cop.
Letâs say you are a cop and unfortunately you got called upon to handle this situation. You yell at the suspect to stop moving and surrender but he doesnât listen. He continues to move and opened his car door with hands reaching inside and back against you so you donât see what he is doing and what he might have in the car.
So whatâs going through your mind at that moment? Worst case is he has a gun and he will turn around and shoot you. But he could very well not have anything. In the latter case if you shoot him you will end up on the news and your names will be published and you can go to jail and there will be riots in the street and this guy will be remembered as a hero with you being the villain. That consequence is huge. If this is actually whatâs going through your mind then you wonât last very long as a cop.
Ok so letâs not shoot. Letâs see what he has in his hands when he turns around. Maybe itâs nothing. Look to your left and right and you see there are 3 other cops. Oh good, we have 4 against 1, so if he does not have a gun we should be able to overpower him, unless he has a knife then itâs still difficult if nobody wants to get injured. But if he does have a gun when he turns around then we need to shoot him, so letâs focus on identifying the object in his hands when he turns around. Does it look like a gun? Does it look like a toy gun? Does it look like a regular knife or just a vegetable peeler? Or maybe it looks like a dart that he can throw at you? If he only has a small blade do you still shoot him? How many times can you shoot if you donât get him the first time? Man these are all good questions.
The point is, you canât expect cops to all make perfect decisions in the field every time, especially these split-second decisions. Thatâs why not resisting arrest is important, because it removes these chances of having to make these split-second decisions. If you keep testing the police some of them may not make that perfect decision at some point (with 4 cops around you all 4 have to make the decision of not to shoot, if only one makes the wrong choice then you will be shot).
Anyway, just my layman way of imagining what happens in these scenarios (based on what I have seen in movies). But the bottom line is why anyone still want to be a cop? You have the authority to take someoneâs life if you make the right call, but every decision you make is going to be second-guessed, and can potentially put you in jail if you make the wrong call in any of the several decisions you will need to make in the next few minutes. Hindsight is always 20/20. Then why would you want to have the power to kill to begin with?
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Hereâs one more.
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