That’s why police has a lot of training. They are supposed to be professionals. If they shoot first and ask questions later this is no longer a police force. It’s just a gang.
There are many situations in which people resist arrest. They may have mental issues. They may be under influence. They may not understand the language. They may be emotional. Do they all deserve to die just because they may have weapons?
Years ago there was a Vietnamese lady in San Jose being shot dead in her house. Police said she was wielding a weapon. Turns out it was a kitchen knife and if I remember right she had some mental issues and didn’t understand much English.
I guess police sympathizers are always sober and 100% certain they are never under any stress and will always obey police orders? Or maybe they are just subconsciously counting on their skin color to bail them out.
People think cops have supercomputer level processors(2020 tech) embedded in their brains, making them Universal soldiers. .
Now, coming back to reality, such capabilities aren’t present in the latest 2020 supercomputers and trained AI algorithms. But cops? yeah they can be trained to do that!
Trump is a lot worse than an asshole. The man is a criminal. He has made it this far by obstruction (i.e. firing anyone who crosses him) and promoting the doctrine that a sitting president can not be prosecuted while in office. Why should anyone else respect the law when the commander in chief is a crook? Talk about undermining law and order…
Complete and utter hypocrite. Look at the convention last night…where were the masks? So we should wear them…but he shouldn’t. We should follow the law…but he and his pals are above it.
Ok. Let’s see you @manch and 2 others safely disarm a guy with a knife without getting hurt. You can’t use a gun or taser, since the taser failed. It should be easy.
And now we’re back to the hypothetical knife in his hand again.
A decent portion of these cops, not by any means a majority, but a substantial minority, were the kids who stole other kids’ lunch money in school. It’s a power trip…pointing a weapon at another human being. It’s what they’ve trained for, kind of a like the soldier that longs to see combat. And I think that’s one of the reasons we so much unnecessary escalation. This is what they’ve trained for and on some level they enjoy wielding lethal power over another human being.
I thought I said multiple times police should be a professional force. They should have gone thru lots of training and have strict codes of conduct to follow.
Yes, it’s not an easy job. Not having gone thru those trainings I don’t know how to handle those situations as well.
This is a common logical fallacy. You don’t know how to do something, therefore you don’t have the right to complain. Well, I don’t know how to cook either, but I know what good food tastes like and I complain about restaurants all the time.
RE is exciting in Tahoe. To bad you are all stuck in boring living or hating Trump politics. I am voting for Biden. But don’t hold your breath, Trump is going to win.
The whole debate about the police and race is about the news media trying to brand Trump and his supporters as racist. Trump doesn’t care what people call me. This infuriates the liberals… probably one on of is best traits.
Yeah, they train then spend years working just so they can throw away their career and future in a split second decision. I’m sure that’s their master plan when they decide to become a cop.
@manch the insanity of your position is you expect the cop to risky injury and his life to disarm a suspect. You’re more concerned about protecting criminals than the police.
In Manch’s world there would be no cops. They would all quit. They have to deal with crazy drug addled mentally ill all day. And yet be polite and use deathly force when needed. Who the hell wants that job?
The news media keeps focusing in on the rare police shootings instead of the hundreds of black on black murders all the time. CNN is race baiting to elect Trump… it is going to backfire.
111blacks killed this year by cops. Compared to thousands by their own people.
If I remember correctly that Vietnamese woman had a vegetable peeler in her hand, which is precisely why I referenced in my post earlier.
At the society level we need to provide clear guidelines to cops what to do when suspect resists arrest. Then if we can still hire enough cops, that means the level of risk for cops is reasonable given the guidelines. If they all think there is too much risk and nobody wants to be a cop then we need to revisit the guidelines to see whether we need to re-balance the protection of the suspect against protection of the cop. Fundamentally protection for suspect and protection for cop are contradictory, so it’s a matter of priority.
You should also put these numbers in perspective. I agree with you that for the mentally ill, people high on drugs, those don’t understand English, etc. They should not die. Police should not shoot them. I think the reality is police does not indeed shoot them in the vast majority of cases. I don’t have data so it’s just my hunch, and you are welcome to counter me with data. But considering there are so many police and suspect encounters every day throughout the whole nation the percentage of police actually opening fire on suspects is very low in my guess. Given how many split-second decisions made by cops in all these encounters, I think there is a chance that the percentage is at a reasonable level. I hope your expectation is not zero.
The deaths are 1,000 a year. How many mentally ill or drug influenced people do you think cops encounter daily just in SF?
Nationally, there are just over 10M arrests a year. That means 99.99% of arrests happen without a suspect dying. That doesn’t even count all the times they chase a suspect, and the person gets away without being arrested. We’re literally trying to put officers at risk to save 0.01% of people arrested.
Only 13% were unarmed so the odds the police shoot at unarmed person they are arresting is 0.0013% Good luck finding any process that involves humans making split second decisions that is that accurate.
No, my expectation is not that it can be zero. However, we should also agree that when mistakes are made, that they are indeed mistakes and not sugar coat them. And we should make our best effort to make sure they won’t happen again.
Plane accidents are even rarer than police brutality. Are you OK with an airline saying, after their plane crashed, they are what they are, pilots make mistakes so deal with it. After the 2nd accident? How about after the 100th accident? No. We all demand they root cause those mistakes and try their best not to repeat those mistakes.
“Prosecutors in Kenosha County, Wisconsin charged Blake, 29, with third-degree sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse last month, according to The Kenosha News. An arrest warrant for Blake was issued on July 6.
So there was an arrest warrant for him. The 911 call that got police to show up was because he was accused of breaking more laws. Then he ignored police commands (that’s breaking the law) and had a weapon. Yeah, he seems totally innocent.
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