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@manch doesn’t care even though he has daughters. He cares about having many startups.
No good Chinese restaurants in Austin 
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Here’s the survey most of out-of-town doom loopers cited via 2nd hand sources.
It actually mentioned why people moved away.
Most people who move across state lines cite employment, housing, or family as the primary reason.
Like I said, common sense people are driven by common sense concerns. Housing is far more important than other right wing pet issues.
What are not mentioned as primary reasons? Homelessness. Crimes. Illegal migrants. All issues the right wing obsesses over. I say just build more housing and many of CA’s problems will go away.
I care enough about them to avoid barbaric states that have zero regard for women’s rights.
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Do you think California will fix any of these issues? It would take a radical change in policy and decades to solve housing.
The YIMBY movement has tremendous momentum in CA. But the housing shortage resulted from decades of NIMBYism and it’s a tough problem. It will likely take decades to resolve. We are moving in the right direction, no doubt, but it will take a lot of time.
Homelessness and crimes are actually easier problems. It used to be that they are isolated in some derelict parts of town and middle and upper middle class people can go on their merry lives without experiencing any impact. But now that these have spilled over a bit more voters have changed their minds. We are seeing the wind has changed. It’s about 3-5 years behind the YIMBY movement. All it takes is political will.
I will give you a few CA problems that we don’t even see any consensus yet. One is the war on middle school math and the whole thing about education equity. SF led the way on the math war. Interestingly enough there will be a ballot measure next year asking voters whether we should put algebra back into middle school. I have no idea how that will turn out. Another big problem is the runaway infrastructure costs. It cost a fortune to even build a public bathroom in CA. No one has any idea how to turn that around.
You meant the following statistics?
Talk is cheap. You try building in commieforinia… I help build thousands of structures. I am 5 months into getting a 500 sf garage approved in Eldorado County… a red neck Republican stronghold… hobbled by California regulators… it’s hopeless… ready to build without the benefits of permits… Fuck government regulations… so sick of it. What about the trees grading water neighbors engineering soils reports environmentalists Indian burial grounds… total horse
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Those Indian burial grounds are a running joke here in AZ. After thousands of years the whole of America is an Indian burial ground. When someone is having septic put in they always say “if you find any injun bones I don’t want to hear about it.”
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I mean deterioration since 2010s (I bold those words in the post). People want to be PC. You expect them to say the un-PC deterioration in public or survey where their identities are known? If I am interviewed in the public, I would say housing costs 
Truth is I have no issue with housing. The deterioration from early 2010s to late 2010s are of differing nature… deterioration in late 2010s are in addition to those in early 2010s. Take note that I move in late 2010s. You should know what have changes from 2010 to now.
A similar human behavior is exhibited when you ask a person leaving an organization… the common reasons given for leaving are personal reason, need a new challenge, next phase of life, interesting projects/technology in another company. Seldom do you hear… because of the boss, lack of career progression, the organization sucks, not being recognized or bypass in promotion.
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Shorter version;
If data doesn’t agree with my biases, the data must be wrong.
Saves you some typing.
Data proved my points precisely.
The charts clearly indicate outflow since 2010s. My message is Californians are leaving because of deterioration in CA… wasn’t focussed on what are the deterioration… people migrated are hard fact… what people said are what they said. Btw, your past comment that higher income didn’t leave is not true too.
Above chart is from the article below that was linked in your article.
Your article
Btw, author made this statement, “Most people who move across state lines cite employment, housing, or family as the primary reason.” without clearly quoting the source. I looked through all the links in the article, can’t find evidence supporting his assertion. Is above statement applies nationally or for those that have left CA? I didn’t see any links related to interviewing Californians that have left. So I view his statement is an opinion/ an assumption, not an evidence/ not a data.
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Lots of CA transplants where I live. I haven’t found one who left because of employment, housing or family. Many cited such reasons when they left because they didn’t want to offend or completely cut ties with the folks they were leaving behind.
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This is now on slashdot. The link they’re discussing has been posted here before many times.
High housing costs are caused by high demand. That means for all those leaving someone else is taking their place.
High housing costs are caused by high wages. Wages are lower in other states. Make sure you can get a job paying enough.
California retirees can arbitrage into a cheaper house than they have but may have tax consequences. I think most BA retirees move pretty close.to Sacramento MSA first or maybe Palm Springs Reno, Oregon Washington Utah Arizona … a few go to Florida or Texas Hawaii. Mexico…. Once you move it’s hard to go back … may get priced out.
There’s a supply side of the equation too. I thought you yourself said somewhere that building a garage even in Republican counties is almost impossible. If demand was the only problem then CA would not have lost 2 House seats(already) while other states are gaining and state forecast for population would not have been flat.
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We definitely have a supply problem… that’s why I am bullish on CA RE even with population decline… in fact 1% of housing becomes decrepit every year… we don’t even build enough to cover that… plus millions live in substandard housing waiting for supply to increase
Business climate is bad, high cost of living, high taxes.
Now add to it crime and other stuff.
Any place which does not support business and business formation and portrays businesses as villains and makes it very difficult to start or operate will wither away long term. This can show up as loss of population and also loss of income per capita adjusted for cost of living.
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Crime is through the roof, worst drug epidemic ever & homelessness at an all time high in CA… Let’s focus on Skittles
https://twitter.com/mariolopezviva/status/1711565605646770412
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Finally got my garage building permit. Maybe the building department reads this forum. We can build it in 3 months or less than half the time it takes to get a permit.
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