Yes and no. Come on, we have the jobs and the weather. We are the prettiest girl at the Ball and everyone wants a chance with her. Period.
Detroitâs downfall started when crime started to increase the 50âs. It was accelerated by the race riots. SF decline started before Covid. Covid accelerated it.
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@manch wonât recognize until he sees the coffin. He is being cooked by slowly warming water. He didnât seem to know three feet ice is not formed in a day.
@manch feels very comfy 
I have no idea how high income people can feel comfy in California. The government is coming after them and their income. Itâs coming after their property rights. Itâs a great place to be a low income renter.
Still obsessed over Detroit? Did you hear the term âRust Beltâ? The entire industrial Midwest went to shit in the 60s and 70s. Yeah right. Only Detroit went into decline.
People obsessing with their random pet issue is like having only a hammer in their mental toolbox. No wonder everything looks like a nail to them.
To be fair, NYC by the late 80âs was starting to look irredeemable. Places can have a renaissance.
Of course in that case it took a change in governance.
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All youâre doing is proving you emotionally trigger and donât read stuff. That or you donât understand any of it. I guess itâs better to just let you be naive.
OMG.
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Go ahead spit on the hands that feed youâŚ
States With the Largest Net Negative Tax Income Migration
California (-$343.2 million)
New York (-$299.6 million)
Illinois (-$141.7 million)
New Jersey (-$135 million)
Massachusetts (-$129 million)
Ohio (-$122 million)
Pennsylvania (-$119 million)
Michigan (-$117 million)
Indiana (-$115 million)
According to recent IRS data, California is #1 with a staggering net loss of $343.2 million.
Why?
Many high-income earners are fleeing the Golden State due to sky-rocketing income tax rates and high cost of living, making it a less desirable destination for wealthy Americans.
The study also finds this could impact job creation as high-income earners play a role in business expansion.
Conversely, high-income earners are relocating to these three states: Florida, Texas, and Arizona.
States With the Largest Net Positive Tax Income Migration
Florida ($12.4 billion)
Texas ($10.7 billion)
Arizona ($9.4 billion)
Colorado ($8.6 billion)
North Carolina ($7.8 billion)
South Carolina ($7.2 billion)
Tennessee ($6.9 billion)
Utah ($6.7 billion)
Georgia ($6.6 billion)
Florida has a net income migration of 12.4 billion dollars.
Wait, you mean the higher income households started leaving before covid then it accelerated? This isnât just a remote work phenomenon due to covid?
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Detroits downfall was due too race riots, white flight and the destruction of the American automobile industry due to foreign competition. Not to mention their horrible winters and lack of the natural beauty of California. I wouldnât count California out.
San Francisco had a major decline from 1967- 1990. It will come back. Just like then⌠Meanwhile Sacramento is benefiting from boomers and wfhers
moving to cheaper housingâŚ
Dumbest, dumber and dumbâŚ
Tell me, objectively, what on earth is good about any of those places other than maybe having lower taxes? If a place were really better (ala Singapore if you are rich) I would admit to it. I wouldnât go to these places for free!!!
Detroitâs decline started over 10 years before the race riots. It was also long before foreign competition started to eat market share. They big 3 were carrying over 60% market share into the 2000âs. The industry was growing fast enough they could easily sell every car they produced.
No one here is talking about the budget impacts. SF is seeing a massive drop in tax revenue. It will have to cut services to balance the budget. Thatâs going to lead to further declines in schools and public safety. That leads to more people leaving.
SF already the lowest percent children of any major city. Thatâs only going to get worse.
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Arizona isnât one great big desert. Itâs full of beautiful forests with mild climates. Or the mountainous regions of the southeast. Just stay at or above 4000 ft. Lots of natural beauty as well as that flat 2.5% tax rate. Also much less government to get in your way when you want to spend your wealth on something nice. Lots of little fringe benefits like no long DMV lines or smog checks on your car if you stay out of the large urban centers which I would avoid.
It all boils down to which amenities are important to you though. The SF Bay Area has managed to shut down most of its gun ranges over the years. The few left are a long drive, expensive to use and have short hours as opposed to $100 a year for 24/7/365 access here (or free in the National Forest). I imagine thatâs not an amenity you care about just as fancy restaurants arenât an amenity I care about.
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I agree that SF has the most overpaid bloated bureaucracy in history⌠as far as kids, SF has never been kid friendlyâŚ
Itâs been a wide open party town with open accepted adult depravity since the gold rushâŚ
What happens once females donât feel safe living in SF anymore?
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The women are tougher than the men in SF. Lots of people love gritty edgy lifestyles. Personal safety is of less concern than living on the edge⌠thatâs why SF is morally bankrupt without safe living conditions⌠the residents and voters prefer it to their preconceived life in Kansas. SF city motto ⌠we arenât in Kansas anymoreâŚ
I/me is not important with data. Itâs what large number of I/me which equals to lots of data points is saying as pointed out in that article.
Some people donât realize that not everyone picks where to live based on the Asian restaurants.
See now I think of gritty and edgy as powering down that steep rocky slope on your mountain bike of maybe mountaineering or taking your sport bike through the twisties of highways 84 and 9. Risks you take pushing your own limits, not risks imposed by some thugs.