So, Was Helsinki Really That Bad?

You need to pay state income tax :grinning:

Are you saying that Prop 10 will not pass? Or something else? Santa Cruz rent control is different in that you can still raise rent when tenant vacates, but Prop 10 is a different beast.

It will hurt future tenants. Existing tenants may find it very hard to move around so they’ll stay at your property for a very long time. How do landlords benefit?

I’m not aware of any SALT workaround yet

“passes away” or their children will keep on living.

Oh I assumed the best case of childless tenant :rofl:

If they have children, the “passes away” may turn into “passes on” :crying_cat_face:

There was a story in this forum about someone having their children over for 2 weeks, which ended up establishing residency…

Found it:

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On tariff trump base, let’s see are they really going to hurt , china not buy from US, buy from other country. Other country buy from US , resell to china for higher than directly buying from US with tariff.
Trade war, no one knows the result until the end. currently still in the negotiation stage.
you can google translate these

【看中國2018年7月12日訊】(看中國記者黎小葵綜合報導)中美貿易戰交火後,中國祭出「先打大豆」策略,同時宣稱,北京有能力應對美國大豆進口減少的缺口。然而,結果似乎事與願違,不僅沒重創美國經濟,還讓美國大豆出貨量大增。

黨媒:取消61.5萬噸美大豆訂單

《人民日報》報導,截至6月28日,中國已有3週沒有新增採購美國大豆,同期累計取消61.5萬噸美國大豆訂單。

報導稱,自加徵關稅後,美國大豆進口成本增加每噸700元至800元(1元人民幣約合0.1511美元),較巴西大豆高300元。因此中國企業講大幅減少美國大豆的採購。

中儲糧集團公司相關負責人表示,自今年4月以來,中儲糧未再新採購美國大豆,轉而全部採購來自巴西、阿根廷、烏拉圭的南美大豆。

同時,從今年7月1日起,中國對孟加拉國、印度、老撾、韓國、斯里蘭卡的進口貨物適用《〈亞洲-太平洋貿易協定〉第二修正案》協定稅率,其中大豆類產品從3 %降至零稅率。

報導強調,目前中國完全有能力應對美國大豆進口減少的缺口。

此外,中國官方還指,今年美國大豆種植面積超過3624萬公頃,首次超過玉米種植面積。隨著預期增產以及出口下滑,美國大豆價格下行壓力會很大。

停買大豆 美國出口反創新高

然而,中國官媒的說法似乎與現實恰恰相反。

根據美國農業部的上週五(6日)公佈數據顯示,美國在第2季度出口到中國的大豆數量,雖然為130萬公噸,比去年同期下降了21%。但出口埃及的大豆較去年同期增長近4倍;出口到越南及臺灣的大豆各增長2倍;出口至亞洲其他國家的數量也至少增長20%。

香港01新聞網評論文章也指出,在中國政府公佈對美國進口大豆實施加徵稅項後,美國大豆出現一批不明去向的歐洲訂單。

對此,美國農業部證實,這批不明去向的訂單,總數共有45.8萬噸,商品市場分析師分析出該批訂單來自荷蘭、德國等大豆加工商。同時,墨西哥、阿根廷加大對美豆採購;巴西為供應中國貨源,放棄其他國家訂單,成為美豆銷路。

也就是說,目前美國大豆走勢並未受到貿易戰的影響。

中國捨美自給自足?專家:很難

美國《紐約時報》報導,由於大豆是中國牲畜飼料的低成本蛋白質,以及食用油的主要來源,中國一旦限制美國大豆進入,很難立即轉投新的供應商。雖然巴西和墨西哥是大豆的另外兩個來源,但它們在生産量上無法與美國相比。

《日本經濟新聞》則指出,當中國政府宣布向美國大豆加徵關稅後,已經將中國農民以及普通民眾帶入困境。

此前,中國政府促國民種植更多大豆,以應付國內需求,但中國政府推廣的所謂高產新種子,其實與以往沿用的沒有太大分別。而且,中國家庭作坊式種植,根本無法跟美國機械化大農場相媲美。

吉林大學經濟學院、金融學院院長李曉也曾指出,若將進口大豆全換成中國自種,等於要拿出三分之一的土地種大豆,「可能嗎?答案很明顯。很難。」


中國高度依賴食物進口】
【美國大豆便宜 品質更遠勝國產】

內地《環球時報》提出,中國在貿易上的即時反制措施,是限制美國大豆入口,中國的底氣在那裡呢?

2017年中國總共入口了9000萬噸大豆,當中有3000萬噸來自美國。但首先要問,為何要入口美國大豆呢?答案是價錢,美國大豆的入口價,比國產的平了35%。

另外,內地業內人士指出,美國大豆質量完全可以KO國產大豆,可以製造很多副食品。

其實中國總體糧食市場高度依賴進口,過去十年不斷上升,去年的入口糧食依存度已超過兩成。

業內人士指出,內地糧食生產受制於水資源成本上漲、種子價格上升了一倍、人力和土地成本不斷上升。

有經濟學者指出,過去十年如果不是靠平價的入口糧食平衡市場,食品價格早已全面急升,通脹數字遠比官方公布的嚴重。

California Democratic Party has invalidated the concept of contract. They have made lease term meaningless.

Under rent control and its related just cause eviction law, the rental lease has become a never ending contract.

Many rent controlled tenants have become millionaires in India.


Mea Kadwani, 78, has lived in the same apartment in the Mukund Mansion in Mumbai since he was a toddler. Thanks to rent control laws, he paid less than $20 a month for decades, and $23 a month recently, for a 2,600-square-foot space in the upscale Nepean Sea Road neighborhood, where rents typically top $2,000 a month. Now he’s moving on: After three years of negotiations, he and his wife pocketed $2.5 million from Orbit, a real estate developer planning to turn the building into a garage for residents of its 29-story Villa Orb tower under construction next door.”

Strict rent control will cause severe shortage of rental housing. Landlords will take theirs property and leave the rental market whenever the first opportunity comes. Rent might be $20 a month for a Mumbai family, but it’s simply not available.

I think it’s unconstitutional to ban the landlords from demolition of their buildings. Once Supreme Court makes ruling that city can not punish landlord by forbidding demolition and rebuilding, many buildings with dirt cheap rent will be vacated, demolished and rebuilt into condos. Rental housing will disappear. Future workers will not be able to come here to work unless the employer provides housing, which is unthinkable because the employer provided rental housing could be under rent control as well.

“Next to bombing,” Swedish economist Assar Lindbeck wrote in 1971, “rent control seems in many cases to be the most efficient technique so far known for destroying cities.”

“The city’s private wealth is a hefty $950 billion. But according to last year’s Mercer Quality of Living index, it also ranks a poor 154th among global cities when it comes to quality of life. There are several reasons for this: poor infrastructure, deficient urban planning, inadequate public transport systems. One of the most important, however, feeding into many of the other problems, is the lack of affordable and accessible rental housing in the city.”

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/04/twisted-tale-rent-control-maximum-city.html

If Prop 10 passes nobody will build anything. Why build something that will in effect become a state owned utility that will eventually be owned by tenants.
Prop 10 is theft. The largest theft in the history of the United States. It makes the state a Mafia organization.
It is a declaration of war on hard working property owners by the lazy, the non workers, illegals and everyone else who won’t pull their own weight. A fairer system is an expanded Section 8 program.
Prop 10 if passed is the worst thing that has ever happened to California

Which is why I believe if too draconian laws get passed our court system will hopefully step in and right the ship.

It will create a civil war. The hatred between tenants and landlords will cause civil unrest, urban blight and an end to the California dream.

The only good thing for homeowners is there will be millions out of work. You will finally be able to get cheap labor to paint or reroof.

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Thought is Trump, how come become Democrats. Nowadays, contracts don’t mean anything. So long you’re stronger and meaner, you can change the terms at will. In fact, why bother with contract, whatever you say is the contract.

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Is incredible that a nation well known for fair competition and belief in free market & individual rights has rent control. Rent control is a government intervention distorting the market forces. Should employ a market force mechanism such as increase land, improve transportation infrastructure, more housing zone, etc… basically supply and demand mechanism to influence pricing.

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Obama picked union workers over bond holders. All investors were thrown to the wolves Democrats lost all moral ground. Now they want to attack homeowners and landlords.
This is Ukraine in the 1930s when Stalin stole the farms from the owners and killed 20 millions. My wife’s grandmother lost her farm and became destitute.

When the government picks winners and losers, we all lose.

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Has already been developing for years (may be decades). This is another form of haves vs have-nots. In fact, some experts think the third world war is many nations would have civil wars of haves vs have-nots, and not between nations. May be Trump is trying to distract the Americans from this by seeking trouble with China and other allies, the usual technique a government used when have big domestic issue is to pick fight with another nation to galvanize its own people.

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My grandfather stood by and watched Berkeley steal millions in property value from him. I will not stand by.
The state can not given away to people who are too lazy to work, invest and put their heart and soul into their property. Rent control is an affront to all that makes America great.

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I mailed a check to this organization this week. Early donations can make more impact, also will also increase people’s confidence level.

I’m scared by the silence over Prop 10. 95% of the people don’t even know it.

Another website to oppose Prop 10 seems to be hacked, maybe by tenant activists.