Explain why sales of Teslas in the US are declining.
Explain why they have such poor quality and customer service. One of the forum members is very unhappy with his 3.
The reality is Musk is not really interested in building quality cars. He just wants to build his brand. The Trump of tech. All about hype and not about quality, customer service. 6 months to one year to get your S repaired for a minor collision. My 4Runner was repaired in 6 days. $5k in damage
When I read all these quality horror stories I sold my Tesla stock last October.
If Musk gave a shit, he would give free loaners in these cases. Or just take these wrecks in trade. His cars are basically unrepairable. Insurance must be sky high.
Sorry but Teslas are bullshit exotic cars for greenie techies with too much money and lots of spare time.
“This accident was not my fault. So even if someone else hits you, you’re without a car for a long time. And I think that’s crazy. Nobody would want to own a Tesla in my opinion if they knew how long it’s going to take to get repaired.”
If I were to buy a car this unreliable, I would buy a vintage garage queen with great appreciation potential
Like a 1964 Corvette or a vintage Porsche.
Like I said Tesla’s are a great third car. A car you don’t need but feel cool driving, until it gets in a fender bender. Which is why a lot just sit in the garage. And not even in your own garage. 130 sitting waiting to be repaired in a San Carlos repair shop.
Actually, you are giving me the point to me…Here you go…
You do not understand cost benefit of local manufacturing vs exports. Long back, Elon has said it is not economical to export from USA, rather than making a local company for supply.
Elon has master-minded local supply in China and local supplies to EURO by making it at Germany.
Chinese manufacturing will supply the demand within China as China being No 2 in worldwide CAR consumption.
Germany is almost head of Euro and well established auto network within Euro. Above all, the corp tax in germany is 15% (lowest in Euro) compared to 21% in USA. If car is manufactured in USA, the cost of mfr is almost same as manufacturing at Euro, please additional frieght+insurance+import duty will not be economical to export from USA. Making and serving in Euro, best location is Germany.
Similarly the cost of manufacturing in China is way lower to compete with local companies.
All banks/funds buying crazily Tesla is justified by its master minded plans by Elon Musk.
You will never ever understand the Elon Musk strategy at all even if Tesla touches 1 Trillion Dollar !!!
China is No1 in terms of car consumption. and Chinese market far superior in terms of luxury car consumption. that tells me every thing to know how much you know current conditions that local US market has shrunk. Tesla cannot even publish US market statistics of sales.
let me tell you some thing new.
Try buy BMW or Audi on discount now?. These brands used to give big discounts here. Now you can not get it. Global companies will pull back when they have doubts about economic system.
Germany auto avg is $65per hour with all kind of layoff and tax (25% vs 7.65 social contributions) restriction. German electric costs atleast 50% higher than California. on top of that it will be Russian energy that will be consumed.
This tell me Musk is show man. Instead of developing long road to develop US skilled labor at cheaper places. he went through hype of creating multiple factories with Chinese and European supply chains.
On one hand dollar is getting devalued and on other side wealth is transferred to competitors who are creating competition in other fields. creating huge job losses across US.
Tesla can become $1T market like Apple. but it comes with mega cap risk of foreign markets and foreign supply chains. Those risks are getting higher and higher. why would US pension funds want to expose to such risks?
You just keep posting random stuff. Some official made some empty promises and you took it as done deal. But real work getting done in the US and you said it’s about to collapse. That’s how you work yourself into a hole believing in conspiracy theories like secret fabs in Russia and US making up GDP numbers.
I am not here to provide all tesla justification, but you do not have any clue about Tesla. Your knowledge or valuation or company finance is very limited.
DId i say good or bad?. It only support my theory that tech is dead end at current valuation. and money printing support for dead sector will devalue the dollar.
German cars companies provide substantial price discounts to US consumers. They no longer doing it. what kind of clue you are getting from it. what will happen to Tesla considering it will have two factories in US.
where is the real work that get exported from US to rest of world? Dont include Israeli Intel Fab work. as Israelis have own channels to Russians and Chinese.
the word “Civilian” will have Military counter part and that is secret part.
When you travel from SF bayarea to LA. there is no control access freeways.
Russia rich enough that they built two freeways M-10 and M-11 next to each other in addition to fast trains for two population centers so rich can enjoy the expensive cars… People living in 7x7 cannot discern real wealth. Elon Musk need to take private jets that is polluting the air.
I have no idea what kind of clue you are drawing from it. I don’t even know what you claim is true or not. Enlighten us.
Russia GDP per capita is 1/6 of the US. China’s is even lower than Russia.
By the way, give us some broad statistics. Not some random news articles about who said what. You want us to believe Russia is more advanced than US? OK. Show us the value of Russian semiconductor exports. Broad statistics, not some random anecdotes of questionable relevance. Certainly not some crazy conspiracy theories how Putin is building secret fabs.
US consumers not getting deep discounts on German cars by itself news. You really need to read history well.
GDP per capita does not tell any thing about disposable income unless you know the Price of Housing. (percentage of population ownership mortgage free), property taxes, educaiton, water, health care. Non-GMO Food, Access of population to cheap public transport.
The problem with Russia export policy you need to buy the whole product. Education and Research state funded. so the deals is between states. for example if Russia software or hardware is embeded in German auto technology. than Russia will ask for German investments in various sectors there is no value shown anywhere. Russia will not publicly embarass Germany or its firms like Siemens. They do things behind closed doors.
US is constantly embarassing Taiwan by showing them as brain less monkeys that is supply chips for decades and still need US permission.
There is state involve even in deals less than $1b for barge thats why the report directly goes to President.
Anyway, show me the news article where it says German car firms are not giving discounts here.
Assuming it’s not made up, it’s bullish for Tesla. Less competition from German cars.
Really? So instead of exporting chips we should see Russian made laptops and cell phones with Russian chips. Where are they? Are you using one right now?
why you need spoon feeding for some thing so easy to confirm? few random calls or emails to local dealers. Germany is reducing there exposure to a market that they no longer believe in it and after that they are gong to do the obvious things through EU.
Russia can sell water and it will make more money than exporting phablets or chips but they are going in directions of civilian products for software-hardware. Military you can make in lab for thousands which not possible for civilian mass productions.
why you need proof for some thing so obvious. PeterPan BMW is right on El Camino real. you can chat outdoor without mask. Ask how there 2021 inventory coming. This is confirmed by friends with other dealers also. Very standard left over 2020 inventory.
Germans no longer give same discounts like before on imported vehicles. Just look at Lease rates.
Coming months it will be even more obvious when they publish quarterly results with product mix.
German Auto industries is getting severally downsized. Look at Job cuts going there.
and why would Germany need to sell Automobiles to US to earn dollars when majority of German imports will be coming from East?. Remember all those trains and new ship buildings Arctic.
Musk factories between Berlin and Shanghai are ideal for that train route.
The point is EU is spending over $2T to create digital economy… Alot of labor will be shifting to built electronic components and digital technologies Only Chinese built German brands or built with Chinese parts will survive.
Lefty living in 7X7 should be advocating complete ban on German products unless Germany certify that there is no Russian built technology inside it. start with T mobile and than Infineon semiconductors.
Again remind me whats the point of billions of dollars valuation of Space X and cost of delays. it is not that Musk is going to establish colony on space with that price unless Powell dump couple of trillions on him.
Most people are for same reason as Elon Musk.
Elon Musk made $100b due to him in California, selling all his homes, built factories in Europe and China. who are about declare whole trade war on California zombie firms.
now state is burning and no one is funding next generation equipment to fight fires.
Is that how you sourced your info? Talking to some rando outside one dealership of one car brand? And that lets you generalize to all European car firms.
Bravo.
I am still waiting for that Russian chip made by some secret Putin fab. Used in some secret Russian smart phones and secret Russian laptops, that nobody knows about except you. How could Putin let you out of the country? You are spoiling his secrets!
Western EU is faster de westernized. Russia is already economic superpower as far as Western EU is concerned. Just look around you will get the answer. that infuenced was multiplied in prior heat waves that killeds thousands. Alot of European elites fled to Russia to escape there non-airconditioned homes. French construction firm built access control new free to connect towns up North. Such freeway can easily cost $100b in California.
Italians invited Russian military to fight Coronoa. (There Elites knows them well).
