You can get a brand new Nissan leaf S for 12–13k + TTL after all the state and federal tax credits. About as cheap as it gets for a brand new car especially considering that electricity is cheaper than gas with PGE EV rates. If you need something that works for longer trips the honda clarity PHEV is a good option that’s also ridiculously cheap taking into account tax credits. Brand new Chevy Bolts are under 20k but no longer qualify for the federal credit since they’ve sold >200k. Imagine if Biden re-instates the federal tax credit for Tesla and GM. If you could buy a brand new Bolt for 10k or a M3 for 30k it would be insane not to buy an EV.
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thanks. I was looking at ford mach e and hyundai kona EV but not 100% satisfied given the price and mileage. I wanted to get a car for 3 yrs till fisker or $25k tesla arrives. I will take a look at clarity.
True, Kona EV is expensive, not worth comparing Tesla. Nissan Leaf is 100% not worth (drove 3 years) compared to Bolt or Tesla model 3.
With the available cars, GM bolt is almost equal to Model 3, but Bolt is always back ordered. When I inquired 6 months before, model 3 (bare minimum) lease is matched with GL bolt.
If lease 3 year option is there, you can choose Tesla or Bolt, but both needs 12k/year usage. You have PGE credit (check the site) and California credit ($2500 max (It may be reduced to $2000), but there are some limitations).
I own a Model 3 LR for the past 2 years.I also have test driven a Bolt. My opinion is the Bolt is not even close to a Tesla in handling. My 15 year old ICE vehicle handles better than the Bolt. Not to mention the seats on a Bolt are like a wooden bench.
The good news is that you love the Bolt. Well that’s great because you can save 50% on price and get almost the same experience.
Just MY views, so people can disregard it.
What year Leaf? They did a major refresh in 2018. As I understand it they are much improved from the first gen cars that had major issues with reduced range due to battery degradation.
Agree that the Bolt is a better car. The Leafs are just so cheap now they’re hard to pass up as commuters.
First part, I agree, no doubt Tesla is better, but I still love my GM Bolt (premium version, leather seat, sound…etc). Since Covid WFH, I do not need a car (old ICE cars enough). When I decide to buy next car, it will be either model S or Model 3. I will come to know clear difference at that time.
It was pre-2017 leaf, which has 108 miles range. Leaf is actually heavy (IMO). The battery drain was 10% every year easily at that time. I do not know about current LEAF models, but I do not prefer to go leaf.
When I bought 2017 and 2018 model bolt, the battery power was reduced from 235 miles/charge to 210 miles/charge in 2.5 years.
pretty sure I won’t drive more than 12k miles but I find leasing financially bad decision. Instead I could buy used mazda cx 30 and after 3 yrs buy tesla.
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I see you buy into TSLA hype. Lucky for me I don’t follow news and not influence by colleagues/ friends.
If I’m not wrong, @wuqijun didn’t buy a TSLA.
oh no I am not fan boy of any brand be it apple or tesla. I know Tesla still has build quality issues. Reason why I said tesla was because of $25k car (promised by Elon) which is cheaper to buy, more super charging network and also I believe in 3 yrs range will be 500 miles. I have driven S, M3 and I like it, especially regen braking. I don’t think it’s worth to spend $40k on tesla now. I like the design of fisker crossover SUV too and would buy if it’s good since base price is $37k before credit.
I care only about minimal maintenance and safety. Quality issues is a big NO!
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Yes the government can give away EVs with tax payer money. But why? All the hype, All the lies about global warming. Yet nobody wants over grown EV golf carts. The American people are smarter than global warmer religious nut jobs. They want F150 pickups. God bless them. And yet Tesla stocks are up 1800%. Why? 1% of the 50m market for crap cars nobody wants. Government fiat to buy bullshit cars that even Wuqijunwon’t buy.
It’s a funny skew of Tesla for “build quality”
#1 most issues are in the 6 months of production of a new model.
#2 most issues are superficial, i.e. bad paint quality and panel gaps
Notice you don’t hear anything about the drivetrain and batteries.
Meanwhile, Ford, Hyundai/Kia, Volvo, etc… have all sort of problems including battery recalls etc…
It would be foolish to buy another EV and expect better drivetrain quality / safety
But you can enjoy your fine paint quality when the car doesn’t drive!
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That statement doesn’t apply to TSLA only!!! Careful not to read too deep into a statement. Not comparing EV with EV 
Until EV can hit the reliability of a Lexus/ Toyota or Acura/ Honda, with plenty of repair/ maintenance around the country, won’t buy an EV.
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this is why there are so many used EVs floating around. Also, in CA, you have to have a “new” EV (less then 3 yo from the model year) to get the carpool lane sticker, and then the sticker expires. there is so much money in BA that people just dump their EV and get a new one because carpool lane sticker is much more valuable to them.
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I had a 2013 Prius that was amazingly reliable and about half the equivalent mpg of an EV and plenty of interior space for my skis. But horrible resale value and useless in the snow but otherwise a great car. Until EVs get Toyota reliability and SUV practically they are basically a niche commuter car for urban elites with garages. Small cars in general are out of favor everywhere. Newsom or Biden can’t design their way out of a paper bag and shouldn’t mandate car specifications.
The biggest problem with the Teslas is they have no parts in inventory. If you get in a wreck it can take six months to get it fixed. Not really a reliable car. Better off with a 1966 Mustang. More reliable and appreciates.
The whole EV model is flawed. Just buy these toys and throw them away after three years. How’s that for being environmentally friendly?
Don’t worry where to dump them, don’t worry where the carbon free electricity will come from. Just buy this crap served up by feel good politicians that want to save the polar bears. Sorry I don’t care about polar bears and I know the arctic seals won’t miss them.
My 4Runner is 17 years old and actually appreciating. 170k miles and will probably out last me. Plenty of 35 year old ones on the road instead of in a landfill. The EV nuts need to do a lifecycle analysis to determine the true cost of these cars… measuring costs, depreciation, electrical grid needs and environmental impact.
I am going buy a used Leaf and convert into a farm/golf cart. Pretty much all they are good for. 40 mile range. Then you have to get out and push
2011 Nissan Leaf. $3800.
comes with mobile charger and has DC fast charge port built in.
The battery is at 6 bars, and it gets a realistic range of 45-50 miles per charge.
The water pump and 12V battery were just replaced.
some small paint chips on trunk.
Problem is the car is worthless and here is why
According to Driving, one man named Clayton Brander is struggling to replace the battery in his 2013 Nissan Leaf. He got the Leaf as a used option in 2017, finding it very well priced. At the time, the dealership said if you need to replace the battery in the next few years, it should be about $5,000.
But flash forward to 2020, and the man is having tons of trouble finding a battery that can be installed. The dealership is now quoting Clayton $15,000 for a new battery, which is an outrageous price to keep a vehicle from 2013 ticking.
JC said young investors (millennials, RHers) don’t care how many cars TSLA sells or whether it makes money. To them, is a genius running a company and making EVs, buy TSLA shares whenever you have money to buy, period.
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