Why Trump won

That’s right stock market really has little to do with trump. Trump is only going to be here for the time being, but the market will go on…

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It will make insurance more expensive, not less. Who will buy insurance if they don’t have to? The old and the sick, of course. The young and healthy all left and the insurance pool that’s left is toxic. People will pay a lot more for insurance.

This GOP bill is nuts. It does nothing about on cost control and just whacks Obamacare because out of spite.

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I agree. I typed wrong. This is what I mean to say.

“This reduces all medical insurance cost only to the people will not take insurance, but not necessarily overall medical insurance !”

Completely agree.

Actually, they are NOT rewinding it -which is what they should be doing. This is my first real disappointment with the new guys; hopefully it gets seriously amended or scrapped. Here’s a good article on it; ignore the somewhat misleading headline and concentrate on the guts of it.

Health care is doomed in the US. .At the present rate of inflation it will wipe out our economy. …Price controls and rationing are the only solution. .Rent control is popular… what about wage and price controls in healthcare???..insurers, hospitals, big pharma all make obscene profits. .The only solution is a single payer system…Medicare for all with government controlled prices for the masses…Rich people can pay extra for private doctors and extra care…

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Medicare is the most cost effective system in the US, and that includes the programs offered by private companies. But even Medicare is extremely expensive.

Doing cost benefit analysis in health care just won’t work in a democracy. What we need is death panel that has the power to say no to patients who are too expensive to care for.

Also what the heck are pharmacists for? In Hong Kong we get medicine at the doctors office. So instead of paying for one person we are paying two. Doctors in Hong Kong also make much less than in US. We keep blaming the insurance companies here but in fact they are the ones trying to keep cost low. Everybody else has hand in our pockets.

What you call health insurance companies are none other than the middle man. It is just a way to divert money to other lazy people doing nothing but just directing your need for a doctor to whoever gives him more commission.

My poor former country, when I left, you could go to the national hospital, or to the which we may call it “institute of social security” paid for by a % of your pay check, and you just showed your card and get cured, no deductibles, no other expenses incurred. We are talking about a third world country!

This country is f’ed by the stupidity of thinking on Socialism as a bad thing. Or course, stop receiving that social security check when you retire, that “social” in it turns you into a socialist-commie. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

But, I expect the republicans in congress to receive a scoop of their own medicine in the next elections. If they are not hung on the highest tree. Poor cowards, they don’t fear Russia, but their own constituents.

There are a lot of what I call market fundamentalists in this country. I don’t know why but they believe market is a cure all and governments are evil. That’s too simplistic a viewpoint.

Wake me up when peole actually care that over 80% of spending is on chronic conditions where a majority of cases are preventable with lifestyle changes. That’s 40% of medical spending that’s completely avoidable, but no one makes money if that happens.

The idea that health care in the third world is good is laughable…Its free but you get what you pay for…My wife can get free medical in Russia, but she would rather pay for it here…Her mother needs foot surgery in Russia…At 69 she is too old based on old Soviet criteria…Has to come here to get the required surgery…Even the free denistry in Russia isn’t as good as low cost denistry in Mexico…

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Maybe that’s because out-of-pocket procedures like lasik are cheaper and better than they were 2 decades ago. Can you say that about your doctor that takes insurance?

Meanwhile I can point to multiple areas where the government “helped” people and the outcome was the opposite.

Freddie/Fannie = the start of home prices increasing rapidly vs decades of little price change
Sallie Mae= Tuition skyrocketing at double inflation as the number of students increase by 10% and school administrative staff increase by 4-5x
Lowering lending standards in the 90’s = subprime bubble

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Price increases rapidly even in Iowa?

The lasik example is more relevant. It is standardized, with very few options. We can compare that with something like tooth extraction, which is covered in dental insurance. Is the price of tooth extraction going thru the roof? I honestly don’t know.

Plastic surgery like breast enhancement is not covered by insurance. Is it dirt cheap?

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Student loans are destroying education. .Insurance is destroying healthcare…Get rid of insurance prices would drop 80%…Nobody would pay these outrageous medical costs if they knew what they were before procedures

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Breast implants are even cheaper than they were 20 years ago. Also, you can’t discuss healthcare while ignoring that 80% of spend is in chronic conditions. Americans are horribly unhealthy.

Yes, it’s national home prices that took off. You can probably guess when Freddie and Fannie started to directly buy mortgages to improve affordability.

First,the chronic conditions, such as cancer in america, is not health care issue or American issue, but it is from the gene and heredity. No american can control such Gene Heredity issue.

Americans are healthy and continue to live healthy in their life. They live longer life !

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Improve affordability implies increase demand. Supply is slow to catch up, so the initial increase in demand causes prices to appreciate. At some point, Nimbyism took over to limit supply, forcing supply not able to meet increased demand, causing prices to continue to appreciate instead of reaching equilibrium.

Cancer is a failure of cell reproduction. If we live long enough, we would die of cancer. So the longer the life expectancy, the higher the incidence of cancer. Should we put an age limit for cancer treatment? Older than 80 years, don’t cure?

#1 cancer is lung cancer and over 80% of cases are from smoking.

Heart disease, stroke, diabetes, arthritis, and obesity are huge causes of spending.

That’d make sense if home ownership rates went higher. They were actually lower a decade after the government decided to help. home ownership rates didn’t go higher until NINJA loans became a thing.

There are many types of cancers. one of the variations is one cell eats another cell.

These two assumptions are wrong. Cancer is heredity, transferred by parents to child by gene. It is hidden inside the gene, no one has any control on it.

Heart attack or stroke are created by diabetes or cholesterol, again disorders originated from gene and transferred through parental gene. These can be controlled by food habits and exercise to live longer, but can not be avoid as it inherited by gene.

Unless new medicine is invented there is no cure for these disease. Many big universities, such as Stanford or UCSF, are researching to find cure. So far, no luck.

You can easily find all those information by googling. This is not the issue of US Health care or WHO or any other country health care issue.

When insurances denied patients, at the needy time, Obamacare was the first one enforced to provide healthcare. This was the best, but I do not think either Trump or Republicans understand such issues.

They simply hate the 3.4% imposed on top 1% earners, that is all !