How Trump has handled the pandemic

Wow. They would rather update websites within 24 hours and scrub standard language that had been used for decades to ensure idiot son in law doesn’t come across as a jerk rather then try to address the virus and the deficit of protective gear. This administration only looks to shirk responsibility and avoid work:

https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/1246099093694435328

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The interference was much more complicated than simply trying to help Trump. In fact Mueller stated EXPLICITLY that that was NOT what they were trying to do. It was a coordinated effort to undermine our political process rather than undermineing any particular candidate.

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Yah. the kooks and fringe people on one side were helped by Russia to interfere. You seem to keep reinforcing my point. It’s basically all designed to tilt elections in favor of Trump.

:rofl: :+1:

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Are you saying Gabbard is a kook on the fringe?

yep. like Joe Walsh, Dana Rohrabacher, Devin Nunes, Steve King, etc (on the Republican side)

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Have you ever heard of Occam’s razor?

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People are already convinced about their points, whether anybody reinforces it or was actually making a point against it.

Anyways as I said earlier

Sorry, don’t understand how they contradict each other. Please enlighten us.

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He did accuse. He just phrased it like a question so that he can pretend to keep his hands clean. It’s a standard trope that is followed by right wing media (aka dog whistle) where they can make their accusations/statement in the form of a question so that when called out on it, they can just say “oh i am just asking questions, i don’t know.”

btw Trump does this very often (and fairly obviously), if you look at his speeches, for his more outlandish accusations he will say “You know people are asking XYZ”. This is when even he knows that XYZ is not true but he wants to slander, so he just says “people” and won’t even say which people and why

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Trump continues to hurt the country because to him it’s all about his personal feelings and his insane hate for Obama. He refused to reopen open enrollment to help laid off people get coverage despite universal support for it (including his administration and his political allies). To him, it’s all about him. He doesn’t care about the country.

The consistent lack of leadership and political gamesmanship Trump has done throughout this crisis is a disgrace. There was no reason not to open enrollment. Insurers and health officials were onboard. It would save lives

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So the republicans and libertarians on this forum that have defended Trump claiming no responsibility and pushing all of the coronvirus work to the states, how do you defend this?

So Gov Baker (a republican) ordered his own masks and they got seized by the admin for Federal use. So basically the states get screwed in every way possible (even when they do their own thing)

BTW at the same time Trump is corrupting the Coronvirus supply chain by allowing his backers (Robert Kraft) to set up a private supply chain of medical equipment. Trump has never found a crisis he couldn’t exploit for personal gain

You make some good points. Federal Directive could work too. But the problem is a history of defiance by some governors, particularly those from the deep democratic state, who at every moment, have done their best to not comply with federal directives and laws. Case in point is the matter of cooperation between local police and ICE on matters of immigration. Or state governments creating a sanctuary to defy the federal laws, or on simple things whether the question on citizenship should be part of census question.

But, the governors are doing a good job and I see Newsom particularly appreciative of Trump for giving him support and free hand.

Trump seems to be avoiding the friction between federal and state governments by giving the states free hand.

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How does your reply even make sense in the light of what the Federal government did? You said he wants to give the state a free hand, and when they did to order PPE to protect their people, he interfered and seized it. I am impressed you can twist yourself into pretzels to defend him in the indefensible

Are you being obtuse? Who can exceed the authority of the governor and the state. Only one - the Feds. And why does he not make an accusation, Trump has repeatedly said he expects to be praised if states want help (look at his fox news interview). He has a gangster mentality and believes in favors done for any requests for help. So of course Baker is not going to call him out.

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It’s Ukraine all over again. Everything this guy does is quid pro quo/bribery/blackmail etc. Even his defenders admitted – this is the only way he’s knows how to operate. Before he was trading military aid for political favors from a foreign power. Now he’s trading masks and ventilators for compliments from our state governors.

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Kemp is the same moron that said on friday he didn’t know the virus could be spread by asymptotic people. He’s a hardcore Trumpist and seems to get his news and direction from Fox news. So not surprised he keeps putting his people in danger.

Well of course the insurers were on board. They’re not paying for it. They make money off of it. The cost is added to the deficit. You know, the one we just got done adding another 2 trillion to.

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First you’re mad Trump isn’t stepping in the middle to direct supplies to where they are most needed. Then he allegedly does, and you’re mad he did. So should the federal government be coordinating where supplies go or not?

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